Return to David's theory of evolution, theodicy and purposes (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, November 09, 2024, 19:11 (12 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: You still don't follow my thoughts. You have used reason and purpose synonymously correctly. I am asking for an underlying conceptual reason that creates God's overt action to produce a purpose. Here reason and purpose differ.

dhw: What is the difference between a reason and a conceptual reason, and since when did an action produce a purpose? What are you referring to? You have said that your God’s purpose/reason for creating life was to create us and our food. Next, you want to know the purpose of/reason for this purpose. Schizophrenically you then ask “Why must he have a reason?” and tell us: “There must be an underlying reason for his wish to create us.” The purpose is the reason why you do something. I have repeated the possible reasons/purposes YOU have offered us for his wish to create us and our food. But since you disagree with yourself, please tell us what you think might have been the underlying reason for your God’s wish to create us. And then perhaps you will be able to explain the difference between the reason for which he wished to create us and the purpose for which he wished to create us. If there is no difference (as you have now agreed twice over), then please stop this silly word game.

The bold is your word game. Above I've explained we conceptualize a reason for action (purpose) and then act on it. For example, God thought I would like organisms that can recognize me and communicate with me. He then purposely evolves humans. A two step process, not your one-step.

99.9% v 0.1%

dhw: So you really do believe that 99.9 different species were the mummies and daddies of the 0.1 survivors. I guess they do certain things differently in Texas.

DAVID: My analysis of statistical evolution and yours differ.

dhw: They don’t differ when you agree that we and our food are descended from the 0.1% of survivors, but they differ when you say that we are descended from the 99.9% that produced no survivors although they were the mummies and daddies of the survivors. Please stop this nonsense.

DAVID: I am only following Raup's presentation.

dhw: Once more: please quote the passage in which Raup tells us that the 99.9% of extinct organisms were the mummies and daddies of the 0.1% survivors.

Raup opens his book by telling us in evolution 99.9% extinct left the 0.1% alive today. Nothing about your mummies and daddies. Your approach is to slice evolution into yesterday and today as if they were not continuous.