Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, October 13, 2022, 10:48 (770 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: Either God designed the history of evolution, or it occurred naturally. It God is the designer and humans are the endpoint, I'll add 'currently' to satisfy you, that is all the facts we have. I've added my theory about God's desire to produce humans, and all you do is complain about evolutionary facts and imply God should have used another method. You have invented an illogical distortion, by complaining about what history presents. I believe it is a history created by God, and He chose evolution for His own personal reasons.

It is not even a fact that there is a God who designed anything, but since we are discussing a possible God’s purpose, method and nature, we are allowing for his existence. I do not complain about evolutionary facts. I present them to you, because you are desperate to ignore them: namely, it is a fact that prior to humans, there were countless life forms and ecosystems which came to a dead end and did not lead to us and our ecosystems. That is the part of factual history which you have yet again ignored, and which makes nonsense of your THREE “added” theories when you try to combine them: (1) that we were your God’s one and only purpose for creating life; 2) that your God designed every dead end individually; (3) that all the dead ends (which by definition did not lead to us and our food) were absolute requirements for us and our food. All you can say is that he “had his personal reasons”, i.e. you can’t make sense of your own “added” theories, which is precisely what I complain about!

DAVID: My concept of God does not include the need for Him to experiment or produce free-for-alls.

Not “need”. Why do you make your God needy? If God exists, our starting point is what he wanted. You say he wanted us and our food, and so he began by designing countless life forms etc., the majority of which did not lead to us and our food. And so either he wanted a being with thought patterns and emotions like his (which you think is possible/probable) but had to experiment before finding the right formula, or he did NOT design the countless dead ends, or he kept getting new ideas as he went along, or he had deliberately created some sort of law for himself: “Thou must first create dead ends if thou wishest to design humans and their ecosystems.” The latter seems to be your theory, which is why you can make no sense of it, as you admit below.

DAVID:[…] What is known only to God is why He chose to evolve us over direct creation. (dhw's bold)

dhw: Not only do you have your all-powerful God incomprehensibly choosing to evolve us (i.e. design his one and only purpose in stages, although you think he is perfectly capable of direct creation as in the Cambrian), but you also have him choosing to “evolve” (= design) countless organisms and ecosystems that have no connection with his purpose! This is YOUR THEORY, not historical fact, and YOUR THEORY makes no sense to you (the reason is “known only to God”).

DAVID: Makes perfect sense to me, believing in God. See answer above.

You have just said that the reason is “known only to God”, so how can it make perfect sense to you?

Tardigrades

DAVID: more amazing facts about Tardigrades. Why were they created? They fit a role in an ecosystem.

More fascinating facts about nature, spoilt only by your constant attempts to make sense of your nonsensical theory of evolution. Now instead of your God setting out with the single purpose of designing humans and our ecosystems, you have decided that God started out with the aim of creating ecosystems! This explains why he created all the life forms and organisms that had no connection with his previous purpose, because of course every organism that ever lived was part of an ecosystem!

Ecosystems matched

QUOTE: "All of the world's ecosystems show hallmarks of human influence, and many are under acute risks of collapse, with consequences for habitats of species, genetic diversity, ecosystem services, sustainable development and human well-being.”

DAVID: The importance of ecosystems is not debated. What they mean is a living space for all and food for all.

I agree completely. The article focuses on the interdependence of our current ecosystems and the massive damage we are doing to them, to our fellow creatures, and to ourselves. And past ecosystems, including all the dead ends that did not lead to us and our food, have always meant a living space and food for all organisms that lived in and depended on them.

DAVID: If the bush of life had not been developed, a linear development would not have survived. Broad ecosystems were an absolute requirement to prepare for the human arrival and dominance.

How could the dead ends have been an “absolute requirement” to prepare for us? Was your all-powerful God incapable of creating us and our ecosystems without specially designing all the dead ends? You have admitted that you cannot understand why your God “chose to evolve us over direct creation”. (By “evolve” you mean he individually designed every stage of every dead end as well as every stage of our own species). The same applies to our food: all extinct foods which did not lead to OUR food were specially designed to feed us! You cannot understand your own theory, so maybe your own theory is wrong.