Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Friday, March 18, 2022, 18:40 (763 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: The continuous view is we can trace us back to bacteria. Your non-god view confuses you about the Cambrian gap.

dhw: According to you, we are descended from life forms which appeared without precursors during the Cambrian Gap. Please stop trying to use my agnosticism as an excuse for dodging the issue of your illogical theory.

Again, God as designer caused the gap. The gap is a strong support of a designer at work!!

dhw: Then please stop moaning about my “humanizing” God, since you do exactly the same.

DAVID: Our guesses may be the same but our Gods differ widely in personality. Don't deny it!

dhw: My point is that you should stop dismissing my various proposals as “humanizing” God when you yourself also humanize him. In fact, I have used your own humanizations as the basis of some of my arguments, as below.

Once again you have to ignore the obvious personality differences in our views of God

dhw: If you agree that he enjoys creating and is interested in what he creates, why is it illogical to theorize that his purpose might be to enjoy creating something that will interest him?

DAVID: There you go again in bold: my guesses about His reactions to what He creates has nothing to do with His purposes in creation. It's time you tried to understand that distinction.

dhw: Do you really believe that the results of actions can have nothing to do with the purpose of those actions? What sort of logic is that?

I'm claiming just the opposite! Our individual descriptions of God's purposes demonstrate two entirely different personalities.

DAVID: [...] as usual your illogical complaint about my view of evolution is still highly illogical to me. It always comes across as why not direct creation?

dhw: Of course it does. You can’t explain why an all-powerful God with only one purpose would not fulfil that purpose directly! In view of the fact that he did NOT fulfil your version of his purpose directly, it is perfectly logical to suggest that maybe he had a different purpose![/b]

DAVID: It is simple for believers: God chose to evolve us, the only history we have to study, and you criticism God's choice while not believing in Him.
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DAVID:That is difference between you and God. God makes sense only to Himself! He has reasons we may not understand but simply accept as believers. As a result you have a problem, and I don't.

dhw: Yet again: if God exists, he chose to “evolve” (by which you mean individually design) all life forms, and not just us, though you claim that we plus our food were his one and only purpose. You admit that you can’t explain why, and so yet again you claim that your illogical theory is a fact which we must all accept. It’s not a fact, there are alternative theistic explanations of evolution which you agree are logical, and my agnosticism is totally irrelevant.

Please not 'only purpose', as that is your defensive distortion of my thoughts. Humans are the purposeful endpoint of His creative evolution. Reference Adler here. The ancillary requirement of a huge bush for food is obvious. Your theistic explanations are perfectly logical if one accepts your humanized version of God. I don't. Our Concepts of God are vastly different which makes your agnostic view totally relevant. You do not approach concepts of God as I do. I know you think you are fair and neutral. But belief is different for those of us who believe, as it makes God a certain sort of personage, again per Adler's other book I quote, How to think about God.