Return to David's theory of evolution PART 1 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Monday, April 11, 2022, 15:18 (955 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Secondary is obvious in my view of God. God purposefully creates as a primary event. His own responses to the results occur after creation.

dhw: Of course responses to results come afterwards. But why do you insist that the results of an action have nothing to do with its purpose?

DAVID: Why can't you separate purpose from reaction?

Your usual dodge of “answering” a question by asking a question!...Repeated countless millions of times....I think it more likely that he would have begun by saying to himself: “I would like to create things that I will enjoy creating and that I will find interesting.”

Note I answered your question with a question. Sauce for goose and gander. That thought of your God is still secondary to to what He actually decides to create. It is not "I must create so I can enjoy and be interested." Our differences are shaded.

God's choice of war over peace

DAVID: My view is the system works. A biochemical system of life requires massive numbers of reactions at nanosecond speed. Rare mistakes that get past editing add up to cloud your biased viewpoint.

dhw: I have simply suggested that a God who creates what he wants to create (a free-for-all) seems to me to be far less weak than a God who creates what he doesn’t want to create – namely, the “rare” errors that cause crippling diseases and millions of deaths. Sorry if that seems to you like bias.

If God has realized the current system is the only system that would work, that is consistent with strength of purpose. And that the system is edited gain shows strength of purpose. I strongly believe no to other system is possible.

Shapiro

DAVID: We disagree on cell intelligence which obviously can be purely cell instructions.

dhw: I know you disagree with the theory. Will you now please stop telling me that I inflate and misuse it.

I can't change my beliefs. We'll drop the subject.

Learning how proteins work

DAVID: A study in automaticity of molecules:
https://phys.org/news/2022-04-abundant-secret-doors-human-proteins.html

DAVID: This is a study of how protein molecules automatically react in living processes. This automaticity is required to allow the fantastic speed of the processes , a speed that is required for life to exist.

dhw: You constant pick on examples of automatic behaviour, and I constantly reiterate that of course much of cellular activity has to be automatic, because otherwise the system will break down. There are two contexts in which intelligence comes into play: 1) the origin of every activity; 2) how cells respond when things go wrong. An analogy would be a factory. It takes intelligence to design the machinery, things then work automatically, and only when something goes wrong is intelligence required. You have the same theory, but attribute each stage to your God's direct intervention.

DAVID: And your analogous intelligence arose how?

dhw: Sorry, I forgot to mention that the theistic version is that God would have designed it.

OK