Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Monday, February 20, 2023, 16:17 (430 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: 3) When conditions change again, 99% of his designs again fail to survive. This is due to his faulty design.

DAVID: Absolutely not. His designs at a given stage are perfectly adequate for those conditions, but when the requirement for new species appear, He designs them. His designs for adaptation do not carry over into outright speciation.

dhw: The given stage = when conditions change. He then designs new life forms (= species), but when conditions change again, 99% of his designs fail again. The reason, according to you, is: “The design failed a necessary adaptation to changes.

God purposely designs limited adaptation abilities, short of requiring a new species. That is His job. No failure, good design.

dhw: 6) 99% of your God’s designs had no connection with his only purpose, which is why you call them “mistakes” and “failed experiments”, and hold him responsible for what you call the “mess “ of evolution.

DAVID: Absolutely no. Life started by God's action at the Archaea bacterial level. The evolution we know lasted over 3.8 billion years, constantly modifying forms until humans were achieved.

dhw: The 99% failed because they were not “modified” (modification = adaptation). You say that outright speciation (see 3) led to us and our food, and these life forms were produced without predecessors. So why bother with the 99%?

Please remember 99.9% form the working steps of evolution. Direct creation was not used. God's choice by His unknown reasons. So?

DAVID: Without the 99.9% loss, evolution could not have happened. Do you want to just throw out the process?? As for so-called mistakes and failed experiments, it is my way of bringing up this discussion and recognizing God chose a messy process to create us. It is you who first mentioned direct creation is a much better method for an all-powerful God. But God didn't do it.

dhw: I’m not questioning the 99% loss, and it’s you who would like to throw it out in order to justify your topsy-turvy argument.

I have reason to want to throw it out. It is history. Stop trying to mind read me.

dhw: Evolution could not have happened without the 1% successes.

Right.

dhw: The failures were dead ends that did not evolve into anything! You call them “mistakes” and “failed experiments” and “faulty designs”, all of which is a direct criticism of your God. But you cannot bear the thought of our not being his prime purpose, and so you blame your God for incompetence, and refuse to consider the possibility that his purpose in designing, for example, the 99% of dinosaurs which had no connection with us and our food (the other 1% was birds) may NOT have been to act as what you used to call “absolute requirements” for designing us and our food.

Do we eat chicken? Refused to answer. Lots of other birds for food. God's proper design pattern for evolution fully described above. Usual distortion will be ignored.

Meanwhile, in answer to points you have raised today:

DAVID: You fail to understand my view of God.

dhw: Correct. I do not understand why an all-powerful God, who could design anything he wanted to whenever he wanted to, would choose to fulfil his one and only purpose by deliberately designing life forms which he knew were mistakes that had no connection with his purpose. You have told us that your theory “makes sense only to God”, which means you don’t understand it yourself.

DAVID: Trust in God removes all of your problems with God. It is obvious God chose this method for His own reasons. Trust means I don't need to know them as I accept God knows exactly what He is doing. Never second guess God.

dhw: All the above problems are not with God but with your rigid belief in an all-powerful God who blunders for reasons you cannot understand. You refuse to consider the possibility that an all-powerful God would not make blunders.

That He does not blunder is described above: "God purposely designs limited adaptation abilities, short of requiring a new species. Speciation is His job. No failure, good design." As a result 99.9% of species fail to survive.