Return to David's theory of evolution PART 1 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Monday, July 04, 2022, 15:28 (871 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: We argue over 'goal' or 'endpoint' as the human end of evolution, but it is the current endpoint. My explanation is perfectly clear: belief and trust in a God who knows full well how to do creation.

dhw: Of course if God exists, he knows how to do creation. We are not arguing about any of this, and you know it! We are arguing about the incompatibility of the three evolutionary theories I listed earlier: 1) your God’s one and only purpose for creating life was to design sapiens plus food; 2) your God individually designed every species, econiche, lifestyle and natural wonder, including all those that had no connection with sapiens plus food; 3) your God directly designed some species without any precursors, but designed the only species he wanted to design (plus food) in stages. Each of these is credible in itself but when combined, they do not make sense, as you have acknowledged again and again because you cannot find any logical link, and together they “make sense only to God”. Please stop dodging!

I do not have three theories. They are your strange divisions. God chose to evolve us by designing stages of life leading to us as the endpoint. His design method does not require precursors. After all He knew how to invent life. One theory, design theory.

DAVID: His logic is obviously not your logic, and I fully accept His logic from His own reasoning.

dhw: How can you fully accept his logic when you don’t know what it is?

You seem to miss the point, no one can know God's logic! If you knew it would you leave agnosticism?

DAVID: That is where interpretation comes in! And you, not understanding a believer's viewpoint object totally irrationally.

dhw: And your interpretation “makes sense only to God”, i.e. not to yourself. Please tell us what else “makes sense only to God” can mean. Nothing to do with belief or non-belief, since all my alternatives allow for God as the creator.

Obviously you have no concept of how to 'allow for God' as the creator. You agree God can do anything He wishes but do not know His logic, do you? And then you go on to invent all sorts of human desires for God to follow.

dhw: What gives you the authority to claim that he has your illogical human thought processes (which make no sense to you) rather than my logical ones?

If God made sense to you, would you accept Him?

Cellular intelligence

DAVID: I said they used hyperbole as an honest appraisal of their written views. All ID is with me.

dhw: I know you said it. And I challenge your right to call their expert opinions “hyperbolic”! What makes you think that your knowledge of the biochemistry of life is “deeper” than theirs? I didn’t know that all ID-ers opposed the concept of cellular intelligence (possibly designed by your God) and supported your view that your God preprogrammed every innovation, econiche, lifestyle and natural wonder 3.8 billion years ago, or kept popping in to dabble each one individually. But in any case, I very much doubt if every scientist in the field is an ID-er.

I understand biochemistry equally to your self-chosen experts who happen to fit your rigid Darwinian prejudices.

Recovery from brain damage

DAVID: The brain obviously requires that exact ability, so God provided it. It doesn't support your brilliant cell theory.

dhw: The brain is a community of cells, and if the cells of the brain have the autonomous ability to reconfigure and rewire themselves, and God provided them with that ability, you have just accepted the theory of cellular intelligence. Congratulations.

Your innate cell intelligence theory is pure extrapolation. God instructed the brain cells in how to have required plasticity.

Human only networks

dhw: Here we have a very vivid description of how intelligent cells organize themselves. We only need to substitute “communities” for “networks” to see how the system works.

DAVID: Still struggling to protect your brilliant cell committee theory. The study only shows us how the brain uses its plasticity, a process no other organ has or needs.

dhw: Once again, you don’t seem to realize that the brain is a community of cells. It is therefore cells that use their plasticity, which is not confined to the brain. If some cells did not have plasticity, evolution would never have happened.

Nice try! The brain requires this ability. You couldn't learn anything if it didn't. Interesting tortured twist of evolutionary fact: Cells do not have plasticity, only neuron networks do.