Return to David's theory of evolution PART 1 (Evolution)

by dhw, Saturday, July 16, 2022, 08:05 (859 days ago) @ dhw

dhw […] : you refuse to recognize that it is YOUR THEORY that is “incomprehensible” to me and to you.

DAVID: Same logic you reject: God chose to evolve us from Archaea. Evolution connects all forms.

If God exists, he would have chosen to evolve (but by this you mean specially design) ALL species from bacteria, and although you claim that his one and only aim was to evolve (= design) sapiens plus food, the vast majority of the life forms and econiches you say he designed had no connection with sapiens plus food. You can find no logic in this theory, so why do you keep leaving out all the bits that make it illogical and then pretending I am at fault in repeating your own agreement that it “makes sense only to God”?

DAVID: My guesses about God's thoughts comes from a background of considering God as extremely purposeful and never needy like yours.

dhw: […] “As for needy”, since you ignored the comment you were supposed to be answering, I will repeat it:
dhw: […] Was your God’s desire to create humans a “need”? Actually, your own guess was that he wanted us to admire his work and have a relationship with him. That sounds more “needy” to me than the desire, for instance, to create something out of enjoyment and interest. In any case, your dismissal of my alternatives does not make your own theory any the less “nonsensical”.

DAVID: "Needy" implies more than a desire for a possible relationship with us. My point is God might have wanted to create us recognizing Him but not in a 'must need' sense.

I really can’t see why his wanting our admiration and recognition is not “needy” whereas enjoyment and interest in creating is “needy”. Shall we drop this silly subject?

DAVID: His [Adler’s] book assumes my view of evolution leading to humans by God's designs.

dhw: But you have told us that he does not tell us that his God created life for the one and only purpose of creating humans plus food and therefore individually designed countless life forms and foods that had no connection with humans. In any case, I don’t know why you keep quoting Adler as if he had a hotline to God.

DAVID: His hotline is much better than yours.

I have never claimed to have a hotline, and I very much doubt if anyone else has one either (assuming, that is, that God even exists!)

Water flies adapt to avoid capture
dhw: I wish you understood how absurd it is to assume that your God either preprogrammed water fly defences 3.8 billion years ago or popped in to do a dabble because water fly defences were an “absolute requirement” for the design of sapiens plus our food.

DAVID: I wish you would finally recognize the importance of each ecosystem.

I wish you would finally recognize that each ecosystem is and was of life-and-death importance to all the organisms that live(d) in it, but that does NOT mean that every extinct ecosystyem was specially designed by your God or that, despite the fact that the vast majority had no connection with sapiens plus food, each one was an “absolute requirement” for his design of sapiens and our food!

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DAVID: […] another study like the one in Yellowstone snowing how delicate an ecosystem is and how easily it can be damaged. It also shows the balanced state affects animal populations and the vegetation they feed upon. And the entire importance of ecosystems is based on food supply. This makes it obvious God's goal of humans had to include an enormous food supply to feed the huge population size humans would create.

As above. I don’t know why you have such difficulty understanding the bold, when you yourself pointed out that “the current bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms” and “extinct life has no role in current time”. Once and for all: every ecosystem is delicate etc, shows the need for balance etc., is vital for food supply etc., and yes, humans need an enormous food supply. But THAT DOES NOT MEAN EVERY EXTINCT ECOSYSTEM WAS SPECIALLY DESIGNED AS AN ABSOLUTE REQUIREMENT FOR H. SAPIENS AND OUR FOOD.