Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, November 15, 2022, 17:44 (527 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Same tunnel vision. Evolution must have dead ends or there is no evolutionary progress.

dhw: Why? If your God knew exactly how to produce humans plus food, then all he had to do was produce humans plus food (Creationism), but if he wanted to do it through evolution, then he could have stuck to the life forms that led to us and our food. That in fact is precisely what you think he did in the Cambrian, when he created life forms which had no predecessors and which led to us and our food. Although even then you have him also designing dead ends that did not lead to us and our food!

When will you finally accept God does what God does. We must look at the known history, accept God created it, and then try to understand it. All you are doing is complaining about what God did and claim God should have done it differently. Try that approach and stop complaining.

DAVID: The dead ends were necessary food supply through all stages on the way to now.

dhw: But all “stages” did not lead to now or to us or to our food! As you say above, only “what has survived” led to now. The vast majority died out long before now and had no connection with now or with us, so they could not have been necessary for now or for us. But if your God designed them, he must have had a reason, and so back we go to the beginning of this post. [I offered you three logical reasons for the dead ends.]

DAVID: His reasons: 1) advance the complexity of living biochemistry; 2) advance the complexity of living forms: 3) feed the advancing forms with necessary ecosystems; 4) end with the human brain.

dhw: If he already knew all about “living biochemistry” and what advanced and complex living forms he wanted to design, why did he have to design countless forms, both less and more advanced and complex, that had no connection with his sole purpose - us and our food? And why did he have to design the brontosaurus’s brain if he only wanted to design the brains of mice and men?

More complaining and criticizing God's works. See response aabove.

DAVID: If God designed it, it was necessary. You have weird thoughts about God.
And under “toxoplasm”:
DAVID: Everything God designs was necessary, because if God designed it and it appeared, it was necessary. Everything found in evolution was God's creation!! Why do you forget that point?

dhw: The usual flannel, followed by the usual question: Necessary for what? You keep telling us that all the life forms and their food (mainly other life forms) which had no connection with us and our food were necessary for us and our food. “Why do you forget that (illogical) point”? I suggest that if God designed it, he wanted to design it. If he wanted a free-for-all he got it, but that means he did not design everything found in evolution. I needn’t repeat my other alternative explanations.

The now bold is the problem! Free-for-all is your imagined, and desired weak God not in full control. If not in control, why need Him at all? The puzzled agnostic mind at work!

DAVID: You are so conflicted in your total lack of understanding of design theory.

dhw: I don’t know of any design theory which stipulates that before you design what you want to design, you must first design countless things that have no connection with what you want to design.

Not answered.

You have no idea about new designing. One tries different approaches and analyzes the best one. In evolution much design was food supply.

DAVID: God is bright enough to see Archaea and envision the human brain to appear later on.

dhw: Why “see” Archaea and then “envision” our brain? This suggests that the sight of Archaea gave him the idea for the human brain (links up with my 3rd theory). So from then on maybe he experimented to find the best way to create our brain (2nd theory)? But then maybe he realized that he was getting nowhere, and hit on a different idea (2nd theory) and created species from scratch (Cambrian), one of which would bring him the desired result, while some of the rest would provide our food supply? This is getting interesting!

Not answered. Please explain what you meant by the "envision" comment.

God obviously knew where He was headed in the beginning but chose to evolve it. Tath isd pure history if one accepts God created the history as I do.