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by dhw, Tuesday, February 21, 2023, 09:13 (639 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: 3) When conditions change again, 99% of his designs again fail to survive. This is due to his faulty design.

DAVID: Absolutely not. His designs at a given stage are perfectly adequate for those conditions, but when the requirement for new species appear, He designs them. His designs for adaptation do not carry over into outright speciation.

dhw: The given stage = when conditions change. He then designs new life forms (= species), but when conditions change again, 99% of his designs fail again. The reason, according to you, is: “The design failed a necessary adaptation to changes.”

DAVID: God purposely designs limited adaptation abilities, short of requiring a new species. That is His job. No failure, good design.

Your God’s only purpose is to design us and our food. He deliberately designs 100 forms of organism so that 99 of them will fail to survive new conditions. They are all dead ends that do not lead to us and our food. You call them his “mistakes”, “failed experiments”, “wrong decisions” caused by the faults in his design, but there are no failures and it’s good design, but you never contradict yourself.

dhw: The 99% failed because they were not “modified” (modification = adaptation). You say that outright speciation (see 3) led to us and our food, and these life forms were produced without predecessors. So why bother with the 99%?

DAVID: Please remember 99.9% form the working steps of evolution. Direct creation was not used. God's choice by His unknown reasons. So?

Please remember that the 99% were dead ends that did not form any working steps at all towards what you claim was your God’s only purpose – us and our food. Only the 1% of survivors were successful.

dhw: I’m not questioning the 99% loss, and it’s you who would like to throw it out in order to justify your topsy-turvy argument.

DAVID: I have reason to want to throw it out. It is history. Stop trying to mind read me.

Thank you for confirming my reading of your mind. The history (99% failure as a result of your God’s design) contradicts your theory of “no failure. Good design”, although this contradicts your theory that your God’s form of evolution was full of mistakes. You simply cannot find any way of reconciling the history with your messy theories, and so you want to throw out the history.

dhw: Evolution could not have happened without the 1% successes.

DAVID: Right.

Thank you. We'll keep this in mind.

dhw: But you cannot bear the thought of our not being his prime purpose, and so you blame your God for incompetence, and refuse to consider the possibility that his purpose in designing, for example, the 99% of dinosaurs which had no connection with us and our food (the other 1% was birds) may NOT have been to act as what you used to call “absolute requirements” for designing us and our food.

DAVID: Do we eat chicken? Refused to answer. Lots of other birds for food. God's proper design pattern for evolution fully described above. Usual distortion will be ignored.

I have just answered the chicken question for about the tenth time. Chickens are birds, and birds descended from the 1% of dinosaur successes. There is no distortion. However, you eventually agreed that the other 99% were also successes, even though they did not lead to us and our food, and so clearly if they were successful, their purpose could not have been to act as requirements for us and our food. But you won’t even consider the possibility that your God may have had a different purpose for designing the 99%.

DAVID: Trust in God removes all of your problems with God. It is obvious God chose this method for His own reasons. Trust means I don't need to know them as I accept God knows exactly what He is doing. Never second guess God.

dhw: All the above problems are not with God but with your rigid belief in an all-powerful God who blunders for reasons you cannot understand. You refuse to consider the possibility that an all-powerful God would not make blunders.

DAVID: That He does not blunder is described above: "God purposely designs limited adaptation abilities, short of requiring a new species. Speciation is His job. No failure, good design." As a result 99.9% of species fail to survive.

Why do you keep editing out your constant references to your God’s “mistakes”, “failed experiments”, “wrong choices”, “messy evolution”, all because “it is a design fault in a lack of adaptability”. And in any case, you insist that he separately designed all the new species (as opposed to adaptations), which means that he didn’t need any of his previous failed experiments anyway!