Return to David's theory of evolution PART 1 (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, June 10, 2022, 10:29 (895 days ago) @ David Turell

dhw: I do not accept that an all-powerful God who apparently has only one purpose (to design us and our food) would first of all individually design countless life forms and foods that had no connection with us!

DAVID: Again your reasoning against God's. I fully accept it as God's choice of method.

It is my reasoning against your interpretation of God’s goal and your interpretation of his method of achieving that goal. Stop pretending that I am criticizing God.

dhw: You can find no reason why he should fulfil such a purpose in such a way, but you kid yourself that this is “history”. It’s not. It is an illogical interpretation of history for which you can find no explanation.

DAVID: It is your illogical interpretation. View it as God's choice of method for His own reasons. An indesputable point.

Yes, if God exists, evolution was his choice of method in order to achieve his choice of goal. That does not mean that his goal was humans (plus food), and it does not mean that in order to design humans he chose to design countless life forms and foods that had no connection with humans. I propose that an all-powerful God is more likely to have had a goal and method that logically explain the history of life as we know it (countless forms of life and food supplies - mainly unconnected with humans and our food supply – that have come and gone, the latest of these being us and our food supply).

New extremophiles

DAVID: What will it take to open up the cement strangling your concepts of evoution?

dhw: I have offered several theistic concepts of evolution, each of which fits in logically with the history of life as we know it. You have offered one, which is so illogical that according to you it “makes sense only to God”. Please ask yourself the question you have asked me.

DAVID: God can choose any method of creation He wishes for His own reasons. Deny that.

Of course he can, if he exists. How does that come to mean that he must have chosen a combination of goal and method which is so bafflingly illogical that according to you it “makes sense only to God”?

RNA viruses

DAVID: Here again we see the vital importance of an ecosystem. All ecosystems are vital and contribute to the food supply and to other balances on Earth that protect life. These ere produced by a slow process of evolution preparing the way for the current huge human population, wshich couild easily be anticipated by a designer once our brain arrived with all its immense powers. dhw constantly complains God used a round-about way to produce humans. Really???

Yes, really. What do you mean by God “anticipated” and “once our brain arrived”? According to you, we (plus our food) were his one and only goal right from the start, and he designed us bit by bit, and he designed every single life form that preceded us and had no connection with us. For the nth time, ALL ecosystems are vital for the life forms of which they are composed. But not every life form and ecosystem was an “absolute requirement” for your God to design humans plus our food. Yes, I would say that individually designing countless life forms and ecosystems that had no connection with humans and our ecosystems was a roundabout way of individually designing every stage of humans until he designed sapiens (plus food). So maybe sapiens and our ecosystems were NOT his one and only purpose right from the start, and/or maybe he did NOT individually design every life form and ecosystem that had no connection with sapiens (plus food).