DAVID: Return to David's theory of evolution and theodicy (Evolution)

by David Turell , Friday, October 06, 2023, 18:34 (412 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: God had His own reasons. Unfortunately for you I am not His psychoanalyst.

So once more you admit that your theory (it’s not a fact) makes no sense to you. Since you can’t make any sense of it, why do you refuse to admit that it might be wrong?

Your absurd view of my thought processes comes from the fact that I cannot read God's mind. We both know what God did in using an evolutionary process to create humans, and we agree, based on the Cambrin Explosion, God is capable of direct creation. I make perfect sense to propose God chose to evolve us for HIS OWN REASONS.

DAVID: The […] bold is your strawman invention of a twisted interpretation of God's form of evolution, which is the only form we have.

dhw: It is YOUR twisted interpretation of your God’s form of evolution, not mine! Please tell us which part of it you now wish to reject.

DAVID: Your idiotic exclusion of 99% of evolution as unnecessary.

dhw: It is YOUR idiotic exclusion, because it is you who say they had no connection with (= were not necessary for) his one and only purpose, and only he knows why he designed them and then had to get rid of them! You simply refuse to believe that your God may have had a different purpose, which might explain why he designed them or why he created a free-for-all in which he gave them the means to design themselves.

An evolutionary process (as evidenced by ours) requires a 99.9% loss rate. Therefore, it is necessary.

Theodicy

dhw: I would suggest that if he is all-powerful, he would have produced what he wanted to produce.

Agreed. He produced good in giving us free will which allows us to produce evil. Both bacteria and viruses are necessary but can produce disease if in the wrong places. Biproducts of His good works.

DAVID: Must I repeat the evils are byproducts of His good works.

dhw: I’d rather you didn’t, since it does not offer a single contribution to the discussion on how/why an all-good and all powerful God, who would only create what he wanted to create, can design a system which he knows will result in evil – whether it’s a byproduct or not.

Please tell us what your God would produce in a system with no evil.

dhw: Your worship of Adler does not answer any of my questions relating to your illogical theories of evolution and your contradictory views of his nature, as exemplified by your attempts to dodge the problem of theodicy.

DAVID: I have not dodged theodicy. I am the one who first raised the issue, please remember.

dhw: Your repeated solution to the problem of theodicy is to pretend that the proportion of evil to good is so small that there isn’t a problem. I call that dodging.

I produced it as a problem!!! You won't accept my answers, because you have an imagined view of an enormous problem. Believers in God accept the problem as part of their belief. Their approach is to accept that God's good works allow evil to appear as byproducts. I await your description of a non-evil-causing system.