Return to David's theory of evolution PART ONE (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, June 04, 2023, 17:04 (328 days ago) @ dhw

PART ONE

DAVID: God did not create evil!!! He created humans and bugs that can create evil. Vast difference.

dhw: Of course we and bacteria are the ones who commit the “evil deeds”. But it was your God who gave them the wherewithal to commit them, and who knew exactly how they would use the wherewithal he had given them. Being all-powerful, if he had not wanted them to have it, he would not have given it to them. And so your all-powerful, all-knowing God must have wanted them to have the power to commit evil. Maybe you’re right. Maybe your God is an inefficient and sadistic designer who enjoys watching the catastrophic misdeeds of his creations, and all the suffering they cause. I’m just a little surprised that you have such a view of him and that you emphatically reject any less critical alternatives.

You are overbalancing evil against the good God produced. Doesn't evil exist in the same amount with your God?

DAVID: God creates in His own selfless way. He creates without wishes for human responses, but expects they will happen.

dhw: Please explain how he can want us to be aware but not wish for us to respond. How would he know we were aware if we did not respond?

An all-powerful, all-knowing God knows our thoughts and our writings.

dhw: […] please tell me what "mutually contradictory" things you have found in my alternatives.

DAVID: Your whole imaginary God is a contradiction to usual thought about who God is.

dhw: Do you really think your inefficient, sadistic version of God represents “usual thought about who God is”? Re mutual contradictions:

DAVID: Of course your not-all-knowing God would not expect evil in free-will humans He created. Part of the contradictions is a God who can create life and thinking humans with free-will and doesn't 'know' in advance the obvious result, evil humans will appear, as simple logical thinking. Your un-knowing God is basically illogical in His thinking.

dhw: I can’t follow your logic. You say of course a not all-knowing God would not expect evil, and this somehow contradicts the fact that a not all-knowing God doesn’t know in advance that evil will obviously appear! Do you really think experimenters already know all the possible side effects of their experiments? (See Part Two for examples.)There is no contradiction!

DAVID: Illogical. Free-will humans have the ability to create evil.

Agreed.

DAVID: Would your know-nothing experimenting God anticipate that?

dhw: Not “know-nothing”. He is not all-knowing. I’ve already answered you in the bold above.

An all-knowing God expects the results of experimenting. He does not experiment.