Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, July 20, 2022, 18:24 (855 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: If God designed evolution, what we see is what He wished to do.

dhw: And what we see is a higgledy-piggledy bush of life forms and econiches, the vast majority of which are extinct and had no connection with humans plus food. So he felt that in order to design humans plus food, it was necessary to design countless life forms and foods that had no connection with humans plus food, and this was the perfect way to produce humans, though this theory “makes sense only to God”. But I agree that what we see (countless life forms etc. that had no connection with humans) must be what he wished. And since the above theory makes no sense to you or to me, I suggest we look for different views of his work that might make more sense to us.

Don't include me in your nonsense. I fully accept what God did as logical for Him and for me. I've explained the huge bush of required ecosystems providing food for all, which explains all the forms that did not lead to humans.

DAVID: God does not ever need anything for self-interest. He is complete within Himself, something you do not understand.

dhw: I don’t know why you keep talking of “need”. If he enjoys creating things he finds interesting (which you yourself proposed), why shouldn’t that be a reason for his creating them?

DAVID: We do not know if God creates anything to please Himself.

dhw: But since you were once certain that he enjoyed creating and was interested in his creations, you can hardly dismiss the possibility that he wanted to created things he would enjoy creating and would be interested in.

God is not the God you think about. He does not create as a primary purpose to have things to take interest in. His following what happens as an interest is a secondary event.

dhw: However, since you adhere to the idea that H. sapiens (plus food) was his one and only goal, please tell us why you think he set out to design H. sapiens (plus food). If I were a believer, I would regard that as a number one priority question.

DAVID: […] we do know He has given us brains which can think about Him and ask questions. Anything further is guesswork.
And:
He gave us brains so we could debate about Him. So we recognize Him.

dhw: EVERY theory is guesswork, including your God’s existence. So why do you think he wanted us to think about him, recognize him, and ask questions? And why do you think wanting recognition is less "human" than wanting to create something he would find interesting?

Answered above: "God is not the God you think about. He does not create as a primary purpose to have things to take interest in. His following what happens as an interest is a secondary event."

DAVID: Your constant interpretation of my thoughts is so twisted and lacks so much insight into my thinking it seems impossible for me to explain it, but I have tried above.

dhw: How can you possibly explain a theory which “makes sense only to God”? Please tell me which of these “interpretations of your thoughts” are twisted: 1) God’s one and only purpose was to “evolve” (= design) sapiens plus food. 2) God individually “evolved” (= designed) countless life forms and econiches that had no connection with sapiens plus food. 3) God designed some species (Cambrian) that had no precursors (i.e. that did not evolve in stages).[…]

DAVID: I accept what God did with no need to explain it to myself or you. His reasons are His alone.

dhw: […] You accused me of a twisted interpretation of your thoughts. Please say which of the above are “twisted”.

DAVID: dhw has always wondered why so many types of pre-sapiens were evolved. Well, this study shows exactly that is what happened.

dhw: I am not questioning that this happened! I ask why a God whose one and only purpose was to design H. sapiens plus food proceeded to design all sort of life forms unconnected with H. sapiens plus food, and also designed all sorts of hominins and homos and then discarded them, although he was apparently perfectly capable of designing new species with no precursors (Cambrian).

God knows what He is doing, and has His own reasons for doing it the way we see. Why n ot just accept it? Or do you see better ways?