Return to David's theory of evolution PART 1 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Monday, June 20, 2022, 16:13 (676 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Your response to this is sheer waffle, dodging from one point to another as you try to avoid the plain fact that you can’t explain your combination of theories, which “makes sense only to God”.

I don't have to explain to you God's reasoning, because I do not/cannot know it.

DAVID: Not clueless. You still do not follow my reasoning: God made us through stages of evolution He created.

dhw: The fact that we evolved in stages is not in dispute.

DAVID: We can create a pattern of history that shows a common descent in the branches of the bush of life from simple to complex.

dhw: Also true, but it does not mean that your God created every single species individually, or that every individual species was an “absolute requirement” for humans and our food.

But it is exactly what I believe, based on the evidence.

DAVID: The basis of life in its biochemistry means specialized proteins like the example neuropeptides must have precursors before specialized organs can be created to use them.

dhw: Agreed. In the process of common descent, existing materials are put to new uses.

DAVID: A designer God can create the gaps we see in forms when the chemistry allows.

Fudge. The “gaps” we see in forms refers to your belief that during the Cambrian he designed species that had no precursors. “When the chemistry allows” is fudge for when conditions change (e.g. an increase in oxygen). In Part Two I asked if you believed in common descent, and you have referred me to this load of waffle, which does not answer my question. However, you point out the following:
DAVID: Common descent, in a definition, does not have to be defined as tiny changes by generations. All Darwinists like Gould describe gaps, not itty bitty steps.

Agreed. If you believe in common descent, then your God would take an existing species and introduce an innovation from one generation to the next...Do you believe in common descent, i.e. that all life forms except the first are directly descended from earlier life forms.

Yes, based on continuous development of ever more complex biochemistry alowing gaps in form by the desiger God.

DAVID: As for human progression, it is mainly based on brain size and development and then full bipedalism. And yes, a dssigner God knows exactly what to do.

dhw: We know that humans evolved in stages. I am not questioning the history, and you know that I’m not. You also know that you cannot find an explanation that will enable your combined theories to fit in with the history, as I have pointed out at the start of this post. Your combined theories “make sense only to God” – and as far as I know, you are not God.

I accept that God knows/knew exactly how to evolve all: your incredulous bold.

DAVID: What is irrational is your clear view of design and refusal to decide a designer is required. Do you really see how complex the design is? That it is beyond chance.

dhw: I keep agreeing, and you keep ignoring the reason why I find the God theory equally irrational. So I will repeat it: “I find it equally difficult to believe that there is an eternal, immaterial mind that had no source, and has simply been “there” forever, somehow creating vast quantities of matter out of its own immateriality, and exercising its powers of psychokinesis to manipulate the materials into galaxies and solar systems, bacteria and dinosaurs, humans and the duckbilled platypus.”

Something made this all happen, not chance. There is too strong a drive to increasing complexity to not to assume a creative mind is behind it all.