Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Friday, March 10, 2023, 18:05 (622 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: 1% of the past evolved into the present.99% consisted of dead ends (your God’s “mistakes” and “failed experiments”) that did NOT evolve into the present!

DAVID: We agree!! 0.1% survival advanced evolution!!

dhw: So will you please stop all this nonsense about evolution advancing through failure to survive!

But failure induces the need for improvement with God's new designs.

dhw: Not “just to create”. To enjoy creating is a possible purpose in itself. What is the purpose of creating 99% mistakes that have nothing to do with what you say is your God’s purpose? Don’t forget your agreement that only the 1% advanced evolution.

You forget my position is God chose to evolve us.

dhw: You simply can’t make up your mind whether your God did or did not control the environmental changes that dictate which species survive.

DAVID: […] Environmental changes are uncontrolled.

dhw: Thank you. And this means he could only design species that could survive under the new conditions, which explains why in your theory 99% were “mistakes” that were irrelevant to his purpose.

Daft conclusion. Climate change stressed species with limited adaptability. God limited adaptability as He could step in when new advanced species were required. We are here despite all your objections to the method..

dhw: […] now you have him deliberately guiding cyanobacteria and algae to change the degree of oxygen in the environment. After which he starts creating our ancestors from scratch, so he needn’t have bothered with all the preceding organisms anyway.

DAVID: If God hadn't 'bothered' where would evolution go? GOD CHOSE TO EVOLVE US IN STAGES!!!!

dhw: But according to you, he did not start evolving us in all our stages until the Cambrian, when he created our ancestors (plus food) de novo, from scratch, without any predecessors! So all previous organisms were unnecessary.

But the advanced biochemistry in the Edicaran had to be accomplished. You always forget two interlocked levels of evolution: biochemical and phenotypical.

Bipedalism

DAVID: . God speciates by editing the genome. Darwin's ancient propositions are not based in current facts.

dhw: The just-so story was your God operating on our ancestors’ back and legs BEFORE they left the trees. You have no idea how God does any speciation, but you have two ideas (see 1) and 2) above). We both reject Darwin’s random mutations. You refuse to consider Shapiro’s intelligent cells.

Yep! Free living bacteria are not the same as multicellular cells!!! Evolution evolved away from that ability.

Transferred from “More miscellany”:
Bacterial controls in horizontal transfer

DAVID: an advance in Shapiro's work on how bacteria handle additions to their DNA.

dhw: And he sees their “immune system”, which enables them constantly to outwit human attempts to destroy them, as evidence of their autonomous intelligence. And if they can be intelligent, why can’t other types of cell be intelligent too, and also – like bacteria – form intelligent communities?

DAVID: When evolution advanced into multicellular forms the bacterial abilities disappeared. Humans do not transfer DNA like they do.

dhw: So single-cell bacteria – our first ancestors – had and presumably still have autonomous intelligence, enabling them to make changes to themselves. But when their descendants combined to form different multicellular structures, which evolved into us and our fellow animals, somehow these lost their intelligence (i.e. couldn’t make changes to themselves). They only seem to be intelligent, but you can tell the difference.

Sure can!! The automaticity of cellular biochemistry is obvious.