Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, April 27, 2022, 18:10 (939 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: You assume that your God’s sole purpose right from the start was to produce us! I ask why you think your God would create countless solar systems and life forms if he only wanted one solar system and one life form plus food. You can’t answer. So maybe your God did NOT want just us and our food right from the start.

Crazy contortion. God obviously modifies or evolves His creations over time. See past discussions I've presented. Why can't He have goals from the beginning? And work toward them?

dhw: 3.X billion years’ worth of food supplies would not be necessary if his only aim was to design humans plus food! […] Hence your announcement that you can’t explain “why God chose evolution over direct creation. Why can’t you accept that explanation?” […] And furthermore, “God makes sense only to Himself!” That is to say, your theory makes no sense to you.

Great example of how you are mistaken in how to view God. To repeat the obvious: "God obviously modifies or evolves His creations over time. See past discussions I've presented. Why can't He have goals [set] from the beginning? And work toward them?" It is easy for believers to accept that choice by God.

“Humanization”

dhw: I asked you what you thought was your purposeful God’s purpose in giving organisms “free will”.

DAVID: Organisms act freely and therefore can perform unexpected activities is all I pointed out. As for their free will, God obviously did not produce automatons. Simply, they need to act freely as in red in tooth and claw.

dhw: You have carefully avoided answering the question, though I’m happy with your answer, which supports my proposal that your God would prefer the unexpected to the expected (far more interesting) and that he did NOT specifically design carnivorousness but left it to the organisms (cell communities) to design their own methods of survival. Perhaps the reason why you avoided answering the question is that you believe your God’s one and only purpose in all his designs was to produce homo sapiens plus food, and you have realized that this does not fit in with the history of life as we know it.

DAVID: Your usual twisted view of my views. The history of life fits exactly what God wanted to create. The endpoint of evolution is humans, which therefore is a God purpose.

dhw: If God exists, I have no doubt that the history of life fits exactly what he wanted to create. And since the history reveals countless life forms and econiches that did not lead to humans plus food, it makes no sense to argue that every life form and econiche was preparation for and part of his one and only goal (not “a” but “the” purpose) of designing humans plus food.

But please finally recognize, the huge bush not related to producing humans is their food. Without it the current human population would starve.

Biochemical controls

dhw: […] I have made no criticism of the system or of God. On the contrary, I have gone out of my way to emphasize that if God is all-powerful then the system we have must be the system he wanted! Not a system containing errors he did not want and could not control, but a system in which the different cells had the capability of taking their own decisions – i.e. were given the “free will” you have just unwittingly endowed them with.

DAVID: Your usual pipe dreams that either God couldn't do what He wanted which is a perfect system without errors……

dhw: It is you who tell us that he had no choice (despite the fact that he made choices) and “had to” produce this system, and tried to correct the “errors”, which can only mean he didn’t want the “errors”.

Of course, He didn't want errors, but this high-speed system is the only one that produces life. An all-knowing God would recognize the best system available and use it.