Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, December 08, 2022, 13:20 (714 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: […] If everything here represents God's wishes, then humans were wished by God. He chose to evolve us which explains all the dead ends in the process of evolution. No generalization. And once again I fully reject your imagined humanized god.

dhw: You never stop editing out those aspects of your theory that make it illogical. If your God’s ONLY wish was to design us and our food, you cannot explain why he also designed all those life forms which had no connection with us and our food (i.e. the dead ends). You may reject my various explanations, but they fit in with your generalisation that what is here represents his wishes and works.

DAVID: The simple explanation, which you always reject, is God chose to evolve us from bacteria, and in the process produced a huge bush of life which supplies our food. Dead ends are your argumentative straw man. They are a necessary part of any evolutionary process as noted in a dictionary definition you have ignored.

The huge bush of life which supplies our food is not an explanation for your belief that your God’s one and only purpose was to design us and our bush of food, and therefore he had to design countless dead ends which had nothing to do with us and our food, because dead ends are “necessary”. I will try to summarize yesterday’s lengthy response to your distortion of the dictionary definition which you say I ignored!

Definition: "Evolution is the process by which the physical characteristics of types of creatures change over time, new types of creatures develop, and others disappear." (David’s bold)

DAVID: Note my bold things disappear!!! They have to go to make way for the improved models.

The definition does not say that things "have to" disappear or that disappearing forms are required! It is simply a fact that they disappear! (Raup says it’s all a matter of bad luck, which doesn’t say much for your God’s total control, does it?) The “improved models” are the life forms that DID evolve from earlier life forms. The dead ends are the ones that did NOT evolve into anything. But you have your God specially designing all the forms that did NOT evolve into the only forms he wants to design. Why? Apparently so that he could make them disappear because all evolutions must have dead ends, and he found that his own “failed experiments” were cluttering up the available space!

DAVID: Does any evolutionary process result in dead ends. Yes or no?

Yes. Would an all-powerful God deliberately design countless life forms that had no connection with the only life forms he wanted to design? Yes or no?

DAVID (transferred from “More Miscellany, Part One): Did a giant bush of life appear now? Yes. Dead ends are naturally discarded older forms during an evolutionary process:

I agree. How does that come to mean that your God deliberately designed dead ends which had no connection with the only life forms he wanted to design, and then had to get rid of them?

https://massivesci.com/articles/evolving-toward-extinction/

QUOTE: "Although specialization allows species to be highly adapted to their environment, it doesn’t mean they’re adaptable. If conditions change, they are likely to be more at risk.”

Of course. Species die out when they cannot cope with changing conditions. Hence Raup’s “bad luck”. But this does not mean that they were all specially designed as preparation for us and our food!!!

QUOTES: "It’s easy to view the progress of evolutionary selection as one-directional – leading toward ever more refined and useful traits. In Darwin’s words, “natural selection will tend to render the organization of each being more specialized and perfect, and in this sense higher.
"But nature does not always make the right choices. Sometimes those choices lead to evolutionary dead ends."

DAVID: Your dead-end issue is a dead end it is so illogical.

The above quote could hardly be clearer. You believe your God specially designed all the dead ends. So in your theory we must substitute the word “God” for the word “nature”: God does not always make the right choices. Sometimes those choices lead to evolutionary dead ends. Your all-powerful but oh so “humanized” God makes the wrong choices – in keeping with your other faux pas, when you told us that “all evolutions advance from failed experiments”, but then backtracked to tell us that there were no failures and no experiments in your God's totally controlled direction of evolution.