Return to David's theory of evolution PART 1 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, May 25, 2022, 14:15 (702 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: The results are available for all of us to see, and if God exists, they are based on his decisions, which as you say are unknown to you. His decisions will be based on his purpose, which is also unknown to you. Of course he could create gaps if he wanted to. But none of this alters the fact that your interpretation of his purpose (only to design us and our food) does NOT explain why – according to you – he deliberately designed countless life forms and foods that did NOT lead to his one and only purpose, or why he created us in stages although – according to you – he was perfectly capable of designing species with no precursors. Far from explaining the history from a design standpoint, your theory leaves you with no alternative to confessing that you cannot explain it and it makes sense only to God.

Once again you denigrate the vital need for food energy to support life over 3.8 by of evolution. That is what all the branches that do not lead to human provide. We are worrried now about ecosystem damage that might reduce food supply.

God and evolution of the universe

dhw: I do not question why all these mysterious goings-on must exist! I question your theory that your God designed all of them, because all of them were an "absolute requirement" for him to fulfil his one and only goal of designing humans. […] you have not given me a single reason why I should “buy” your theory, which you yourself find inexplicable […]

DAVID: I'm not surprised at your steadfast agnosticism: as I understand your history, the God of the Old Testament so disturbed you, you dropped away from belief. But recognizing the complexities of design kept you from atheism. Despite all the material for design I have presented for your education, you are still stuck at the point at the time you opened this website. The point of that start was never meant to change your mind. Your choice.

dhw: Yet again you dodge the issues raised by your illogical theories. The history and reasons for my agnosticism are totally irrelevant.

DAVID: Your mindset is relevant and rigid. You see the design that keeps you agnostic. The next logical step for a logical human mind is to recognize the design complexity must be created by a designing mind. Where or how that mind came from is irrelevant. All of the new information that exists in living matter has to come from somewhere. See today's entry.

dhw: I keep acknowledging the logic behind the design theory. But the same logic tells me that if our human minds require a source, then a mind infinitely more powerful than ours must also have a source. You acknowledge that belief in some sort of supernatural, eternal, sourceless, all-powerful form of consciousness requires faith, as does belief in the powers of chance to create life and consciousness. Both beliefs defy logic. You know all this, as we have gone over it again and again, and you have only switched the discussion in this direction as a means of dodging the issues raised by all the contradictions bolded above, that lead to theories which you can’t explain and which “make sense only to God”. Please stick to the subject.

The subject is proof of a designer. The whole debate at its base is does God exist? And, yes, if God exists, He is sourceless. You don't like my interpretations of what i think are His actions and possible motives. but I like them, as they make perfect sense to me.