Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, March 09, 2023, 11:26 (623 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: The 99.9% were part of the necessary mechanics of living evolution. So in your view we simply go from bacteria to us without loss of life? 99.9% were not irrelevant, they formed the process of evolution.

dhw: Necessary for what? You never stop dodging. Your God’s one and only purpose was to create H. sapiens plus our food, but 99% of his creations did not lead to us or our food, so you call them his “mistakes” and “failed experiments”.

DAVID: I never dodge from my beliefs. God chose to evolve us, which historically required a 99.9% loss of organisms along the way. Very necessary or evolution stops.

Evolution would stop if there was a 100% loss of organisms. It is the 1% of survivors that enable evolution to continue. However, you say your God can create new organisms from scratch, and so if he only wanted to create us and our food, he didn’t even need the 100% of designs that preceded our ancestors plus food. But whether you believe in common descent or not, you still call the 99.9% “mistakes” and “failed experiments”, because they were NOT necessary for what you believe was your God’s sole purpose.

DAVID: Your God uses free-for-all for entertainment and experiments in a directionless manner. Purely human.

dhw: Your dismissal of my alternatives does not make your theory any the less nonsensical. However, none of my alternatives are directionless, and I do not use the word “entertainment” but your own word “enjoy”, as when you tell us you are certain that he enjoys creating or he wouldn’t do it.

DAVID: Yes, I'm sure He wants to create, because He did!!

You used the word “enjoy”. So why do you think it’s not possible for him to have created all these 99.9% per cent of what you call “mistakes” because he enjoyed creating them, which means they were not “mistakes”?

dhw: You said your God was not in control of such environmental changes as forests turning into deserts, and you don’t even know if he controlled Chixculub. You praise his brilliance in being able to design new species to cope with every change, but he can only design what is allowed by the new environment! For example, he couldn’t design us until the necessary oxygen was available.

DAVID: Opposite view: He created photosynthesis in cyanobacteria and algae to make enough oxygen to then create the Cambrian guys. All to plan. remember God creates by evolving in planned designed stages. You don't know how to criticize a designer.

You simply can’t make up your mind whether your God did or did not control the environmental changes that dictate which species survive. You’re sure he didn’t control forests turning into deserts, one day you believe he did not control Chixculub, and the next day you don’t know, and now you have him deliberately guiding cyanobacteria and algae to change the degree of oxygen in the environment. After which he starts creating our ancestors from scratch, so he needn’t have bothered with all the preceding organisms anyway.

DAVID: Answered above. Raup's point was all organism's adaptability were limited. Organism's bad luck, not God's.

dhw: Of course it’s bad luck for the organisms that they couldn’t adapt to the new conditions because of your God’s faulty design!

DAVID: Not faulty but purposely limited adaptability since only God can speciate.

QUOTE: “The design failed a necessary adaptation to changes. It is a design fault in a lack of adaptability” (David, February 12 2023)

Under The Cambrian

dhw: Only the 1% evolved into our food supplies. The 99% were dead ends that did not lead to us or our food. That’s why you call them “mistakes”.

DAVID: Usual distortion. 99.9% loss is a requirement of evolving from bacteria.

A requirement for what??? You keep omitting your God’s one and only purpose! So now he says: “In order to create David and his food, I must first create 99.9% of life forms that have no connection with David and his food, i.e. make 99 mistakes per 100 designs.” And then comes the Cambrian, when he creates our ancestors from scratch anyway!

Bipedalism
DAVID: bbbThe bipedal body is not fit to stay in trees. They were forced by their new design to be terrestrial.bbb (dhw’s bold)

dhw: So one morning a group of anthropoids woke up to find themselves with straightened backs and legs, which forced them out of the trees and onto the ground. But even then your God knew he’d have to keep popping in to operate on hominins and hominids and homos till he could get what he wanted (us plus food), though he needn’t have bothered with any of them because he could have created us de novo if he’d wanted to. I'm surprised that you think even God can understand your theories.

DAVID: Your fanciful just-so story fills a gap in my theory. I have no idea how God does any speciation.

I’m glad you now consider your design-in-advance theory to be a just-so story. And you seem to have forgotten your two theories concerning your God’s method of speciation: 1) a 3.8-billion-year-old compendium of instructions for every evolutionary change, lifestyle, strategy, natural wonder etc. for the whole history of life, and/or 2) ad hoc dabbling. Darwin proposes random mutations and natural selection. Shapiro proposes cellular intelligence.