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by David Turell , Monday, March 20, 2023, 15:46 (402 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: […] Allegorical applies only to God's personal emotions!!!

dhw: So what do YOU mean when you say you are sure your God enjoys creating and watches his creations with interest?

We use our words with a meaning for us that is, in some sense, not an equal meaning for God

DAVID: Repeat: God limited adaptability as only He can speciate. My unchanged point is God used a cumbersome system to successfully produce us.

dhw: More nonsense talk. “Only he can speciate” does not explain why an all-powerful God would design 99% of organisms that had no connection with his only purpose! Or why he invented a “cumbersome system” which forced him to make mistakes and conduct failed experiments and come up with faulty designs!

Please attempt to absorb a clear point. Limited adaptability obviously results in poor survival rates. That only looks like design failure. Evolution produces a 0.1% survival rate which successfully produced us. I cannot explain why God chose this method. But that is of no matter to me, only to you

dhw: If you now wish to withdraw your vehement criticism of what you call your God’s “messy”, “inefficient” and “cumbersome” method of achieving what you call his one and only goal (us plus our food), and dependence [edited] on luck providing the right environment, then please say so, and I’ll be delighted to move on.

DAVID: I'll withdraw nothing. I've successfully gotten you to try to defend a God you don't believe in. I cheerfully believe in a God who successfully used evolution as a messy process to produce our brain.

dhw: My agnosticism is irrelevant, but of course you are welcome to believe cheerfully in an all-powerful, all-knowing God who has no power over the environment, deliberately designs 99% of organisms that have no connection with his one and only purpose, and continues to make mistakes and failed experiments until luck provides him with the environment he needs (Cambrian), whereupon he starts afresh to produce our ancestors de novo, thereby rendering all his previous efforts irrelevant, although even after the Cambrian, he still continues to design life forms that do not lead to his goal. And with your newly discovered gift for language, you regard a messy, inefficient, cumbersome method of design as proof that your God is a marvellous designer.

Oxygen in the Cambrian era isn't luck!! God earlier created cyanobacteria to make enough oxygen. You are back to slicing up evolution into disconnected eras. To have it your way, God makes all His own luck.

Human gut biome controls health

DAVID: these bacteria play a vital role for us. It is not surprising they have such a degree of adaptability. Representing the first life, they have stayed around from the beginning to play an important role in evolution. They were designed for survival, not like the 99.9% loss described by Raup because of their usefulness, all neatly planned by purposeful God.

dhw: Since we are all descended from single cells, clearly bacteria are among the 1% of survivors, and their astonishingly adaptable intelligence may well have been a major factor in the whole history of evolution. How do the 99% of specially designed non-survivors which had nothing to do with your God’s only purpose but, on the contrary, have been described by you as his mistakes, failed experiments etc. constitute “neat planning” by an all-powerful God?

Please note I have changed my descriptive approach. What, on the surface, looks like mistakes and failures is actually planned limited adaptability. Thus, neat planning.