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by dhw, Saturday, September 17, 2022, 10:43 (586 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: We are discussing God's personality. I do not propose a humanized God. You do and have the right to do so. God is not human in any way. You are confusing human thought with God thought.

dhw: Why is it “God thought” to want full control and “human thought” not to want full control? Why are your thoughts about God divine and mine only human?

DAVID: I do not have divine thoughts. That is impossible.

You propose that your God wants full control, and in one of my theories, I propose that he doesn’t. Please explain why your proposal is “God thought” and mine is “human thought”.

dhw... he enjoys creating, is interested in his creations, is too kind to wish us harm, wants us to admire his work and have a relationship with him. Why are your “humanizing” guesses permissible, whereas mine, which lead to logical explanations of life’s history, are not?

DAVID: My guesses about God's personality are not substantive. We don't know His personality, only His works to analyze.
And later:
DAVID: God is in no way human. Read Adler!!!
And:
DAVID: He is a person like no other person.

dhw: Nobody’s guesses are "substantive", but please stop pretending you know that “God is not human in any way”, when you agree that he probably/possibly has human thought patterns etc. and you even guess which ones he might have. A “person” with all the human characteristics you have attributed to your God but who also created life and the universe and does not have arms, legs, eyes, or a brain will be a “person like no other person”. If you can’t find any defence in Adler for your illogical, anthropocentric theories of evolution, please stop pretending that he can give me the answers you can’t give me.

DAVID: Read Adler for yourself. He was anthropocentric in thought as I am. My theories are Adler and ID. [...]

These discussions are not about what Adler thinks or doesn’t think. Adler is not God. 1) How do you know that “God is not human in any way”, though he probably has thought patterns and emotions in common with us? 2) If (as you believe) your God’s one and only purpose was to design us and our food, why (as you believe) did he individually design countless organisms (e.g. our beloved brontosaurus) and foods that did not lead to us and our food? 3) If (as you believe) your God’s one and only purpose was to design H. sapiens and our food, why did he decide to design lots of hominins and homos before designing sapiens if (as you believe) he was perfectly capable of designing species without any precursors (Cambrian)? I do not regard “Read Adler” as an answer to these questions. However, I can accept your answer that you have no idea, and your theories “make sense only to God” and therefore not to you or to me.