Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, February 19, 2023, 16:56 (641 days ago) @ dhw

David is constantly accusing me of distorting his theory, and so I will go through it point by point. David, please tell us which of these points is a distortion:

dhw: 1) Your God does not control changes in the environment, such as forest turning into desert.

Yes

dhw: 2) This means that he can only design organisms which will be able to survive under those conditions.

Yes.

dhw: 3) When conditions change again, 99% of his designs again fail to survive. This is due to his faulty design.

Absolutely not. His designs at a given stage are perfectly adequate for those conditions, but when the requirement for new species appear, He designs them. His designs for adaptation do not carry over into outright speciation.

dhw: 4) It is bad luck for the non-survivors that they are victims of your God’s faulty design.

No. See above for the answer.

dhw: 5) You believe your God’s only purpose for creating life was to design H. sapiens and our food.

Yes. Ancillary purposes are how we relate to God having recognized His existance.

dhw: 6) 99% of your God’s designs had no connection with his only purpose, which is why you call them “mistakes” and “failed experiments”, and hold him responsible for what you call the “mess “ of evolution.

Absolutely no. Life started by God's action at the Archaea bacterial level. The evolution we know lasted over 3.8 billion years, constantly modifying forms until humans were achieved. Without the 99.9% loss, evolution could not have happened. Do you want to just theow out the process?? As for so-called mistakes and failed experiments, it is my way of bringing up this discussion and recognizing God chose a messy process to create us. It is you who first mentioned direct creation is a much better method for an all-powerful God. But God didn't do it.

dhw: 7) Your God was perfectly capable of designing any species he wanted to without predecessors, but instead of designing his one and only purpose directly, he deliberately invented a method which he knew would force him into designing 99% of mistakes.

Not mistakes, just failure to survive. From above: " His designs at a given stage are perfectly adequate for those conditions, but when the requirement for new species appear, He designs them. His designs for adaptation do not carry over into outright speciation."

Meanwhile, in answer to points you have raised today:

DAVID: Every species survived until it went extinct. However, during their presence advanced biochemical processes were developed and were present in the next forms.

dhw: Any advances could only have been passed on by the 1% of survivors. The other 99% were dead ends, which you regard as being your God’s “mistakes”, resulting from his faulty designs.

Not faulty. Repeat: "Not mistakes, just failure to survive. From above: " His designs at a given stage are perfectly adequate for those conditions, but when the requirement for new species appear, He designs them. His designs for adaptation do not carry over into outright speciation."

DAVID: You fail to understand my view of God.

dhw: Correct. I do not understand why an all-powerful God, who could design anything he wanted to whenever he wanted to, would choose to fulfil his one and only purpose by deliberately designing life forms which he knew were mistakes that had no connection with his purpose. You have told us that your theory “makes sense only to God”, which means you don’t understand it yourself.

Trust in God removes all of your problems with God. It is obvious God chose this method for His own reasons. Trust means I don't need to know them as I accept God knows exactly what He is doing. Never second guess God.