Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, February 27, 2022, 15:32 (998 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Of course we arrived from a specific line of a single branch, but all the branches that surround us provide the food. I am using the giant bush process of evolution as a whole.

dhw: No you are not .You have told us that all the giant bushes that preceded ours were meant as “preparation” for us and our bush and were part of “the goal” of evolving humans and our food. If you now wish to change that theory, then please stop “beating about the bush” and say so.

The bold is exactly what I believe, and it expresses evolution as a progressive whole from its beginning.

DAVID: Name your god's goals

DAVID: Counter: 1)& 2) God does not need interesting things to watch. Humans need that.
3) God does not need experimentation to reach His endpoint purposes. (I did allow the minor point that the biggest bacterium was a possible side attempt to try)
4) God has all the desires to create He needs from the beginning. He doesn't come up with new ideas. Only humans do that.
Conclusion: You have made God totally human, as usual.

dhw: Conclusion: Although you agree that your God probably endowed us with thought patterns, emotions and logic similar to his (a perfectly understandable thing to do, since a creator would hardly create thought patterns and emotions he knew nothing about), you have closed your mind to any alternative theistic theory that might explain the history of life as we know it. You are convinced that you know how your God’s mind works, although you have no idea why he would adopt the method you impose on him in order to fulfil the purpose you impose on him.

You are totally blind to how you use a humanized God to back your theories.

DAVID: Adler specifically uses God's evolution of humans to prove God exists.

dhw: As bolded above, and I’m not surprised that he doesn’t cover your illogical theory, since you regard him as a logical thinker.

DAVID: Please do remember, Adler accepted evolution as God's method to reach humans. He never discussed how God did it, as beside the point. I am the one who separately is trying to explain the nitty-gritty of how God did it. Explained in the past.

dhw: Explained in the past by telling me to ask God why he used the illogical method you have imposed on him in order to fulfil the one and only purpose you have imposed on him.

My comments explained Adler to undo your confusion about him. Your answer is confused or a deliberate sidestep.

DAVID: The history of evolution is the same for all of us, except for you who splits it into unrelated segments.

dhw: Evolution is split into unrelated branches, and the vast majority of these had no connection with humans. Hence the absurdity of claiming that they were all “in preparation for humans “ and were all “part of the goal of evolving humans”, unless of course you now opt for theory (3) above.

DAVID: I have accepted paragraph two above as stated, and continue to view all of evolution as one whole giant process.

dhw: You have rejected all four of my alternatives. I agree with you that evolution is one whole giant process in which vast numbers of life forms and their foods have come and gone, and we represent only one branch among countless other branches of life forms and their foods, the vast majority of which had no connection with us and our foods. It is therefore manifestly illogical to claim that all other life forms and foods were “preparation” for us, and were “part of the goal of evolving humans” and our foods.

If evolution is a 'whole giant process' everything that happened can easily be viewed as God's purposes being fulfilled in a stepwise fashion through one process.