More miscellany Parts One & Two (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, September 29, 2024, 18:02 (53 days ago) @ dhw

Disordered proteins (and glue your predator)

DAVID: Where did the 'cell designing species' ability go? Not here now. May not have existed in the past.

dhw:It continues to show itself in adaptations, but we are going through a period of stasis as regards new speciation. Where did your dabbling God go? Not here now? May not have existed in the past?

I view God as finished with His creations, but is still here watching how it all works.

DNA hunts pathogens

dhw: If they follow God’s full instructions and fail, doesn’t that suggest to you that the instructions were wrong?

DAVID: No. The bugs are pretty smart in your proposed current free-for-all.

dhw: So the bugs outsmart the omniscient God who created them?

In your fairytale view of God.

Early mammalian evolution

dhw: [...] your omnipotent, omniscient God, whose one and only purpose was to design us and our food, deliberately designed and then “had to cull” (your own words, not mine) 99.9% of the species he had designed in what you have called an imperfect, messy, cumbersome, inefficient way of achieving that purpose. […]

DAVID: Of course evolution is inefficient system, and why I question God's choice.[…].

dhw: It is you who make evolution inefficient, on the grounds that your God has a messy way of achieving the purpose you impose on him. You refuse to consider the possibility that either your choice of purpose or your choice of method (design and cull) or both might be wrong!

God used evolution as His choice of method. Is that wrong in your view? We are here running the Earth, not God's purpose?

Biochemical controls

DAVID: […] theoretically an omniscient God would use the only system available, and had editing systems in place. Still not perfect, but the ONLY way. [..]

dhw: If nothing existed before your omnipotent God created it, whatever became “available” could only be what he wanted to create. Why would an all-knowing God be forced to create something he didn’t want to create???

The systems for producing life may be limited to only one! God would knows that. You cannot use what does not work, can you?

Walking fish

dhw: The God theory is still all theory, and your theory of divine instructions and dabblings is all theory, and why is the walking fish “necessary” for our existence?

DAVID: Part of a necessary ecosystem.

dhw: Necessary for what? Do you think your God designed the walking fish for the one and only purpose of serving us?

All ecosystems create he useful Earth we have.

The microbiome in the brain

DAVID: […] another example of bugs wandering into bad places. Which leads into the usual theodicy discussion.

dhw: It’s another example of bugs that attack us and bugs that defend us, and all of them are simply fighting for their own survival in their own particular ways. Your theodicean explanation varies wildly from blaming God for creating them, prevention of boredom, being forced to use the only system available to him, inability to rectify the mistakes in the system he created (but faith in humans to do what he, despite his omniscience, can’t do), and being so perfect that we should forget about the imperfections.

You still fail to accept, God have us life the only way He could.