Return to David's theory of evolution PART TWO (Evolution)

by dhw, Friday, March 24, 2023, 12:42 (610 days ago) @ dhw

PART TWO

Common descent

DAVID: dhw, because of his Darwinist training does not understand my approach. God's designed evolution mimics Darwin's common descent but is God's common descent.

dhw: They would be the same if your God used the 1% of survivors for his further experiments in creating new life forms. But if he created life forms with no predecessors, there is no common descent. You can’t make up your mind, and your insistence that our own ancestors were designed de novo makes nonsense of your theory that every preceding species was designed as an “absolute requirement” for us and our food. (Or have you dropped that theory now?)

DAVID: The development of advanced biochemistry and phenotypes were designed using previous stages. The biochemistry in the Ediacaran was the basis of Cambrian biochemistry. Thus, the stages were 'required'. Darwin's 'common descent' had the same Cambrian gap!!! No predecessors!

Darwin thought the gap might be explained by the lack of fossils. That is irrelevant to our discussion. Why would your all-powerful, all-knowing God, who apparently knew from the very beginning exactly what biochemistry and environment were required to fulfil his one and only goal (us and our food), have needed to “develop advanced biochemistry” and to subject himself to the limitations of environmental changes beyond his control? Could you possibly mean that he was learning more and more about how to use biochemistry as he “developed” it through his ongoing experiments? According to you, the Cambrian proved that he could create our ancestors from scratch. He didn’t need to design any of the species that preceded us. And why do you keep avoiding the word “species”?

Environment

DAVID: Accepting that we evolved, my view is God CHOSE to evolve us from Archaea.

dhw: Absolutely no problem for me. If he exists, he also CHOSE to evolve millions of other life forms from Archaea, and 99% of them had no connection with what you insist was his one and only purpose – us and our food. That is the starting point of our disagreement, which you have blatantly avoided even mentioning in your efforts to make out that your incomprehensible theory (only your God can understand it) is incomprehensible because I am confused. […]

DAVID: Your confusion is obvious. The giant bush of life for food is obvious. Eight million humans and growing. You usually grudgingly admit we must eat.

How many more times are you going to repeat this silly dodge? Every organism has to eat, and we humans need a giant bush. But that does not explain why your God created bushes in the past for organisms that had no connection with us and our food. You know this. As I keep reminding you, you wrote: “”The current bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms.” And “Extinct life has no role in current time.” (The capitals were your own.)

DAVID: When will you see that evolution produces that sort of survival rate as part of the process, as Raup shows?

The basis of our disagreement is the very fact that 99% did not survive, but evolution according to you is not the agent of their non-survival, because according to you it is your God who deliberately designed them not to survive, and since they had no connection with his one and only goal, you have no idea why he designed them in the first place.