Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS ONE & TWO (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, April 11, 2023, 15:00 (590 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: There are many opinions of God's personality, no better than the one I developed for myself with help from Adler, as important any 'experts' you presented.

dhwHL The one you have developed is that of a God whose sole purpose is to design us and our food, and whose method of achieving his purpose is inefficient, cumbersome and messy. You reject my proposals on the grounds that most religions would reject them, and then proudly inform us: “The Bible, Adam and Eve are not part of my theology, nor Does Whitehead impress me. I follow the Catholic philosopher Ed Feser for some of his thinking. But I have my own brand of theism I follow.” So your views of God do not conform to “most religions”, but that’s fine. It’s only if my proposals don’t conform to most religions that it’s not fine.

Your form creates a God who is very humanlike in His methods and desires for Himself. God is selfless

DAVID: Evolution is a messy process and yes, religions don't dig into the problems, they just accept it at its surface. It worked.

dhw: You have dug into the problems of your own theory of evolution, and have concluded that your God is an inefficient, cumbersome and messy designer. Since you can make no sense of your theory (it makes sense only to your God), why do you complain if I come up with alternatives that offer perfectly logical explanations of evolution’s history which remove such criticisms of your God?

What you create is not a God as I see it.

DAVID:I do not perceive the warts you apply to my God.

dhw: Please explain to us why you do not regard as a "wart" his inefficient, cumbersome and messy method of fulfilling his purpose by designing 99 out of 100 species that are irrelevant to that purpose.

DAVID: I accept what God did as His valid choice of method, for His own reasons. It worked, we are here.

dhw: You accept your THEORY about what God did for unknown reasons, and it makes no sense to you. All my alternatives end up with us being here, and they all “worked”, according to whatever purpose we assign to him.

Like most believers I accept what God does without question.

The universe

DAVID: dhw wonders why God made it so big. Because that is what God wanted.

dhw: The usual edited version of what I “wonder”, leaving out the question why your God would have designed thousands of millions of galaxies if his sole purpose was to design our galaxy containing our planet containing us and our food. If he exists, maybe it would make more sense if he didn’t design every galaxy and every species, but set in motion all the processes of galaxy and species formation, and watched the results with interest.

DAVID: More derision about our necessary food!! God doesn't make sense to you, as you hopelessly use human logic to understand God!! Yikes!! As God evolved the universe, He knew exactly what would happen. His favored Milky Way appeared about two billion years after the BB. Your human God would start it and watch. My God is hands on and His 'interest' is doing it.

dhw: What is derisory about our food? He could hardly want to create us without wanting to create the food which would keep us alive! In all my alternatives, God’s actions make perfect sense to both of us, your only objection being that they show him to have thought patterns and emotions like ours, although you believe he has thought patterns and emotions like ours. If he was hands on and “knew exactly what would happen”, he knew right from the start that he would spend 2 billion years specially designing countless millions of galaxies although he only wanted to design one, just as he knew he would design 100 life forms although he only wanted to design one (plus its food). And he knew he was inefficient, cumbersome and messy, but just like you, he found himself stuck with a ridiculous system/theory entirely of his own making.

I'll remind you. This is an issue you raised years ago. I'l stick with God chose His method of creation for His own, unknown to us, reasons. AS for His thought patterns and vemotions we have discussed they are allegorical. He may think as we do but His results might surprise us.