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by David Turell , Friday, August 19, 2022, 16:53 (605 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I simply said the past leads to the future as you admit:

Where have I said the past didn’t happen? Of course the past leads to the future. That is the nature of time! But in the context of evolution:

dhw: The past contained some branches that led to us and our food, but it also contained countless branches that did NOT lead to us and our food.

DAVID: Opposite my contention that the entire set of ecosystems on Earth are interconnected and required for our food.

dhw: Once again, you are using the present tense (are interconnected), whereas we are talking about the entire set of ecosystems that existed before we did. Some of them did lead to us and our food supply, but the problem you keep dodging is why your God created all those extinct ecosystems and life forms that did not lead to us, although you believe his only purpose was to create us and our food supply.

All of evolution produced a giant bush of life that is a series of interconnected ecosystems that provide food all, not just humans!!!

DAVID: You've never understood How I view your God. I grant His very human form, but only then do your proposals make sense.

dhw: Thank you for granting his very human form and for agreeing that my proposals make sense.

DAVID: You are welcome.

dhw: That should mark the end of your campaign against my alternative theories on the grounds that they “humanize” God.

Don't you realize my point? Your very human God allows you to create very human suppositions about how your humanlike God works His purposes. On that basis of course they are logical.

DAVID: My very purposeful God is not at all human although He has logical thought and in His own special way has our emotions of love and enjoyment.

dhw: We agree that he is purposeful. You "grant his human form" (by which I presume you mean his human attributes) and the fact that he may have thought patterns and emotions like ours, you are “sure we mimic him in many ways”, and in fact back in March 2020 you actually stated: “we can only know His logic is like ours”! And yet you say he is not at all human! You are making an art out of self-contradiction.

Our past discussions about God's human characteristics as above are theoretical. The comment: “'we can only know His logic is like ours'”! does not make God human. Please remember God is a being like no other being. I'll stick to my above declaration: DAVID: [i"] My very purposeful God is not at all human although He has logical thought and in His own special way has our emotions of love and enjoyment".[/i] No self-contradiction while you pounce on old statements and twist them out of context.

DAVID: The cell intelligence theory is based purely on hyperbolic descriptions of cells actions. Since DNA is a recognized code and the whole genome is seen as a multilayer of controls, the instructions/information in DNA simply run the processes in the cell.

dhw: That is your version. There are other scientists whose research has led them to the conclusion that cells are intelligent entities. Now please tell us the "known facts" that support your theories of 1) a 3.8-billion-year-old book of instructions for the whole of evolution, and 2) God having performed countless operations and held countless courses as he “dabbled” all extinct and extant evolutionary innovations and econiches, lifestyles and natural wonders for the sole purpose of designing us and our food.

Same old trope, off subject of cell intelligence!!! Tor cell intelligence I have all the ID folks agreeing with me, led by many PH.D. doing active science research on the subject.