Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, February 12, 2023, 01:51 (648 days ago) @ dhw

I’m tempted to edit this post to a single paragraph, and even to the single request/question at the beginning and end, but perhaps the repetitions will eventually bear fruit.
DAVID: God's 'mistakes' actually progress in any evolutionary system. (dhw's bold)

dhw: Once again you dodge my bolded request, which lies at the very heart of our disagreement. Meanwhile, how many of God’s evolutionary systems do you know? The evolutionary system we know tells us that 99% per cent of his designs came to a dead end, i.e. made no further progress, and that is why you call them mistakes and failures. Please stop contradicting yourself.

You keep ignoring: BB, evolve universe, evolve Milky Way, start life on Earth which evolves Earth, evolves life!!!

dhw: Your supposedly all-powerful, always-in-control God’s inability to control the environment meant that he could only design species that suited the conditions, as opposed to species that would lead to us and our food.

DAVID: Wrong again: our giant bush of food supply is the result of that exact requirement to suit environments.

dhw: Our bush, derived from the 1% of successes, suits OUR environment. You call the other 99% “mistakes” because the organisms and their environments had no connection with us and our environment. Only the 1% bridged the gaps.

DAVID: The dead ends demonstrated what were necessary adaptations to evolve onward. They led to the improved 1%.

dhw: The dead ends became dead because of new conditions – they did not demonstrate what conditions were necessary for their survival! Only the 1% of survivors showed the necessary adaptations, which you believe your God then worked on, but even them the process repeated itself, with him designing another 99% of blunders.

Why do you ignore Raup? He described evolution as 99.0% failure to survive, didn't he?

Extremophiles[/b

DAVID: […] What cannot continue to survive sets the conditions necessary for new attempts. Evolution is a progression of simple forms to more complexity of forms. Failure drives the process, per Raup.

DAVID: You need to stop and review how anything evolves, Dead ends a normal part of it.

dhw: We agree that 99% of life’s evolution produced dead ends. But the dead ends did not lead to sapiens plus food, and since you say your God designed them although his only purpose was to produce us plus our food, you blame him for making mistakes and conducting failed experiments. Yes or no?

No blame. Failure to survive is part and parcel of the system He chose to and was successful with.

DAVID: Once again you deny the importance of our major ecosystems. After all, its just food.

dhw: Please stop slithering and stop putting words into my mouth. Of course our major ecosystems are important to us. Have I ever denied that we need food or that our food is derived from current ecosystems? Extremophiles demonstrate that organisms find all kinds of ways to survive. You also tell us that your God designed them, and that God designed every organism in order to produce us and our food, but 99% were mistakes. So do you think your God designed every extremophile to be part of our food supply, or are they his mistakes?

Of course, they survived and weren't mistakes!!! But part of our ecosystems

Conflict

dhw: I do indeed think that mistakes, failed experiments, mess, lack of control, dependence on luck etc. make your God look bad, but that is your “personal invention”.

DAVID: I'm just presenting evolution in a different factual light as it relates to God the designer.

dhw: I’m surprised that you see your all-powerful God and his designs in such a bad light.

DAVID: It is your 'bad light' interpretation, but then again you like wimpy Gods.

dhw: Why do think countless mistakes, failed experiments, mess, lack of control, dependence on luck etc. are the attributes of an all-powerful, strong, always-in-control God, whereas a God who gets what he wants without making any mistakes is to be considered “wimpy”? This post has now come full circle. Please stop dodging the question.

Never dodged. My all-powerful, all-knowing, al purposeful God stays on course and produces everything He wishes to produce. Compared to your mind-changing wimp of a deity .