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by David Turell , Saturday, December 03, 2022, 17:39 (503 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: As you raise your questions, I am allowed to rethink what I present as my views of how God must work. You demand more specificity. So: whatever happens is Gods works is the start. All failed dead ends are part of His planned design of evolving humans.

dhw: We can certainly agree that if God exists, whatever happens is the result of his work. But once again you are hiding behind vague generalisations. For instance, whatever you, I, or anyone else does is “what happens”, but even you will not claim that what you say, do, write, think is “God’s works”. You have already told us that “similar to climate these ocean currents ran on their own, not under God’s intimate controls,” so not God’s work. And you have viruses and bacteria causing untold harm because they wander off in directions your God did not intend them to go (= not God’s work).

You are again mixing up creation of organisms and what they do. God creates them per His plan, but after that they are free to act as they will, just as we do. Just as with Earth's God-given climate patterns. Please compartmentalize the different concepts in accusing God of lack of control.

dhw: The idea of a free-for-all is an extension of your own belief that whatever happens is NOT always God’s work.

Your idea of a free-for-all creating evolution is your concept of God not in control, not mine

dhw: Of course I demand more “specificity”! As regards the failed dead ends, you go on to tell us they are not failures, because although they played no part in fulfilling his one and only purpose (us and our food), he deliberately designed them to fail, although you don’t know why because your theory “makes sense only to God”.

I do know why!!! Whatever happens in creation, God did it!!! No need to dig further, for unknowable specificity. Your attitude is if I can't supply it must be wrong. Insane!!

Reading God’s mind

DAVID: note the bolded comments that many people have their own version of God. The message here is there is only one theistic accepted version of God, as described. I strongly agree with this description of God's attributes. dhw please note.

dhw: Accepted by whom? How dare anyone say that their version is correct and anyone who disagrees is wrong? That is the basis of all the destructive religious prejudices that have done so much damage to human society throughout history. Again: bbbThe only being who knows what God is like is God himself, if he exists. (My bold)

DAVID: If you try theistic theories they are solely unique to you. And rigid. Please start with God creates everything. That is an acceptable requirement.

dhw: It is not, as detailed at the beginning of this post. You are the one who has come up with rigid theistic theories about evolution which make no sense to you, and I have offered alternative explanations which you reject simply because they do not fit in with your own ”humanizations”. Do you or do you not agree that the only being who knows what God is like (if he exists) is God himself?

Yes. But a concept of an all-powerful God, as presented in the Bible is the God we MUST discuss. You forget that by presenting human Gods. Stick with the one described.