Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, March 23, 2022, 00:31 (974 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Same distortion: I don't need to know why God chose to evolve us. Only you do.

dhw: There is no distortion! You don’t know why, if we were your God’s only purpose, he didn’t choose to create us directly, and you don’t know why he chose to design countless life forms and foods that had no connection with us. But you don’t need to know. You are happy to cling to beliefs that make no sense to you.

They make no sense to you, not me. Don't put your thoughts into my arena? Distortion of fact of a distortion of comprehension of a simple fact?

DAVID (from the “brain” thread:) We are a purposeful creation, with God not doing it for His own emotional needs.

The distortion is yours. I keep rejecting the word “need” (as bolded above), and my comment relates to your statements “We’ve agreed he must enjoy it” and “God didn’t necessarily do it to please himself”. The latter indicates that it is possible he did do it to please himself, and that is all I ask, since all my different proposals – just like yours - are unprovable theories.

Those possibilities are your attempt to humanize god.

DAVID: . Necessary simple biochemical processes were designed first, which underlies all phenotypical changes later.

dhw: But you have your God specially designing every individual species, although he only wanted to design one species plus its food, and you don’t know why, because God makes sense only to Himself

Not answering again. My point is evolution is evolving biochemistry and also phenotypical changes. Two separate parts of evolution. Can you recogbnize that?

DAVID: […] I read authorities on how to think about God.

dhw: I’m amazed to hear that anyone has the “authority” on how to think about God, and I would be equally amazed to hear that these “authorities” claimed…[no need for me to repeat your whole theory of evolution, which apparently only God can understand.]

DAVID: Did you ever study theistic views of God which show you how to view God for yourself?

dhw: This is a new dodge. Let’s ignore the arguments and focus on what dhw hasn’t read. He needs to read books which tell him how to think for himself!! Now please tell me if all the books you have read provide you with exactly the same opinions on how to view your God. Don’t any of them disagree with one another? Are all religions identical? Do all of them accept your theory of evolution which only God can understand?

Of course you are allowed to think for yourself, but aimlessly with no background in research in current thought on the subject?

DAVID: I haven't tried to conceive of a different peaceful form of life. Is it even possible? You raised the issue, so let's have your version.

dhw: I gave it to you in the previous post: a garden of Eden, in which all living forms cooperate peacefully with one another and get their food from sources that do not have to be hunted and killed. You have given us a fine example:

Bacteria help ground squirrels hibernate

QUOTE: "Sommer, who in 2016 reported the presence of seasonal bacteria potentially beneficial to hibernating brown bears, says that these new findings show that “there is an interplay” between the host and its intestinal microbiota “that allows specific adaptations” to hibernation." (David's bold)

DAVID: As noted previously, here is another example of the importance of bacteria, who are at the war on each other, that dhw needlessly worries about. Bacteria contribute to so many aspects of comfortable living, it would take a book to describe all of their contributions. Life started with bacteria and we can't live without them. Note the bolds.

dhw: Why did you insert “who are at war on each other”? You have just shown precisely how your all-powerful God could have created peaceful, cooperative life without war if he had wanted to. Please tell us why you think he chose not to.

Be realistic. All bacteria have fought with each other since they began. Do you live in a pipedream?