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by David Turell , Monday, September 12, 2022, 16:21 (801 days ago) @ dhw

Ecosystem importance

DAVID: Same as all the folks you quote about cell brilliance, all opinion, not fact.

dhw: You dismiss the theory of cellular intelligence because it is opinion not fact, so I point out that your own rigid beliefs are opinion not fact, so you point out that cellular theory is opinion not fact. You can’t see that your reason for dismissing theories you disagree with applies equally to your own beliefs!

I view the way you cling to cell intelligence as a means of reducing God's direct control of evoution ,

DAVID: […] the giant interlocking ecosystems today are God's deliberate plan to provide food for all living organisms. All developed from past branches!!! Those are the reasons you say I cannot think of!

dhw: Once again you are editing evolution. Yes, all organisms eat/ate food and are/were eaten in their own ecosystems, and all current living things are developed from past branches. But you are deliberately editing out all the past branches that did NOT lead to all the things that are alive today but which you claim were “absolute requirements” for us and our food!

DAVID: I have always said all branches lead to current ecosystems.

dhw: You recently offered us a quote (re New Zealand): “Evolutionary history is full of strange twists and turns, but also dead ends” which I bolded and which you ignored. Your dodges include the fact that ecosystems provide “food for all” (which includes all extinct organisms that lived in them and had no connection with us or our food), and all our current ecosystems are descended from past ecosystems (bolded above), which again is true for us evolutionists, but does NOT mean that all extinct branches led to us and our ecosystems. I have asked you repeatedly how the brontosaurus (I recently added trilobites and moa) “provided a direct link (continuum) to our current ecosystems.” Your last reply was as above: “The systems are here descended from their ancestor systems.” Now please tell us at last how trilobites, the brontosaurus and the moa provided a direct link (continuum) to us and our ecosystems, and were “absolute requirements” to enable him to design us and our ecosystems.

Let's understand belief: every organism on Earth is here because God desired to put it here. Even dead ends were desired, and how proven is it as dead ends they didn't play an advancing role?

dhw: (re Neanderthals): If his one and only purpose was to create H. sapiens plus food, as you claim, and if he had the power to create species without any precursors, as you claim, it makes no sense for him to design umpteen hominins and homos in itsy-bitsy stages. So I look for a logical theory to explain the stages.[…]

DAVID: It is what God desired to do. He can choose as many stages as He wishes. You can't outthink God and tell Him he did it wrong!!!

dhw: This is another of your silly dodges. Nowhere do I say that God – if he exists – did it wrong! I accept that we evolved in stages! But since it makes no sense even to you that an all-powerful God who only wanted to design H. sapiens proceeded to design umpteen hominins and homos before designing us and eliminating them, I am challenging your illogical interpretation of his purpose and/or his method, and have offered you logical alternatives.

Your thinking is so twisted: you accept all the stages of hominins arriving finally in us and you can't see us as his purpose! Adler is rolling over!! And what are your logical alternatives to the series of hominins/homos? Do you challenge that God builds in stages, and so it be said He evolves everything He creates?

DAVID: The entire Earth contains our ecosystems for food. How many more articles do I have to produce to crack your cemented mind?

dhw: Still dodging. The entire Earth contains ecosystems for food. That does not mean every single extinct ecosystem led to our current ecosystems and current foods, because vast numbers of extinct life forms and ecosystems came to a dead end. Please explain how the brontosaurus was an “absolute requirement” for us and our food.

Narrowness again. Every organism put on Earth was a desired result by God. You can't analyze God down to the last dot and tittle.