Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by dhw, Tuesday, August 02, 2022, 11:30 (842 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: You have presented your theory of my theory, which refuses to accept the simple statement that God chose to evolve us from bacteria for His own unknown reasons.

dhw: I’ve never refused to accept that we humans – like every other species – evolved from bacteria! If God exists, I’m also happy to accept that evolution was his choice of fulfilling whatever may have been his purpose. What I cannot accept is the theory that your God’s one and only purpose was to produce us and our food, and his method of doing so was to produce countless species and ecosystems that had no connection with us or our food. You yourself can make no sense of this theory.

DAVID: How to make sense of it is to recognize God knows exactly what He is doing and how to do it His way. Each stage of evolution had its own set of ecosystems to provide necessary food supply for all. Our knowledge of evolution demonstrates just that. The current ecosystem bush of life supports our current huge population, all evolved from past bushes.

But all past bushes were not specially designed as “absolute requirements” for us and our food, and that is what makes nonsense of your theory that your God’s one and only purpose from the beginning was to create us and our food! Stop dodging!

DAVID:[…] […] The past is dead isn't it? Or do you communicate with it? The past is a stage in our evolution and dies, doesn't it?

Yes, the past is dead, and only part of the past was a stage in our evolution, and the rest had no connection with us. Hence the absurdity of your theory that all those parts of the past that had no connection with us plus our food were individually designed as preparation for us. Stop dodging!

And under “earliest mammal ancestor”:
DAVID: it is obvious mammals were fore deigned in the development of evolutionary stages. dhw will worry about the many branches that head into different directions. Not to worry, they all fit into ecosystems for a food supply for all, not just for humans. (dhw’s bold)

Exactly. And that is why it is absurd to argue that they were all an “absolute requirement” in preparation for sapiens and our food! Stop dodging!

I asked what you thought was your God’s “primary purpose in creating humans.

DAVID: […] we do know He has given us brains which can think about Him and ask questions. Anything further is guesswork.
And:
DAVID: He gave us brains so we could debate about Him. So we recognize Him.

dhw: EVERY theory is guesswork, including your God’s existence. So why do you think he wanted us to think about him, recognize him, and ask questions? And why do you think wanting recognition is less "human" than wanting to create something he would find interesting?

DAVID: By giving us a mind, which thinks, discussing God naturally flows. There is no way of knowing if God expected that result, so we are free to think as we wish. And whether He desired it as a result is also unknown. Your questions again fit your role as God's humanizer.

dhw: Oh, your God gave us brains which can think about him and recognize him, but you don’t know if God wanted us to think about him and recognize him. So please tell us what you think was his purpose in creating a species which could think about him and recognize him.

DAVID: We are here so He wanted to create us. His obvious purpose must include that we will recognize His existence. Other purposes are all guesswork.

And countless numbers of life forms were here that had no connection with humans plus our food, and so according to you he must have wanted to create them. Why, if his only purpose was to create us plus our food? And why do you think his desire to be recognized is less “human” than enjoyment of creating things that will interest him?

DAVID: (transferred from “savannah theory”): Your humanized God seeks entertainment and allows evolution to proceed as a free-for-all. My view of God sees Him as fully purposeful at all times, creating without any self-needy desires.

I used your own terms when you were certain that he “enjoyed” creating” and was “interested” in his creations. I have never used the word “entertainment”. The free-for-all is ONE of my theories, to explain the existence of all those past life forms that had no connection with humans plus food, as well as all the life forms that cause damage to us and our ecosystems (the problem of theodicy), for which you can find no explanation.