Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Wednesday, October 05, 2022, 11:44 (778 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: My purposeful God knows exactly what He is doing and does it without your implied experimentation. God knows the proper requirements to achieve all the goals He can conceive of. At your human level of reasoning your questioning is wrong.

dhw: If God exists, I’m sure he knows what he’s doing. If he’s experimenting, I’m sure he knows he’s experimenting, and even knows why he’s experimenting. You insist he had only one goal: H. sapiens and his food. And you tell us he designed countless dead-end life forms and foods that did not lead to us and our food. Your God sounds as if he doesn’t know what he’s doing.

DAVID: And I've explained the diversity of forms creates a giant ecosystem for food for all. It is your God, unsure of what He is doing, who has to experiment.

Not “a” giant ecosystem. Every dead-end ecosystem provided food for all its organisms until it stopped doing so, and it is absurd to claim that every dead-end ecosystem was specially designed as preparation for us and our ecosystems since dead-end ecosystems do not lead anywhere! Please stop using these silly generalisations to cover the illogicality of your theory. Regardless of the experiment theory, a God who designs countless organisms and ecosystems that have nothing to do with his one and only purpose sounds like a God who does not know what he is doing. And that is not a criticism of your God but a criticism of your theory.

DAVID: What we see in evolution is what God knew he had to create.

dhw: Who forced him? If God exists, I would propose that what we see is what he wanted to create, and what we see…here we go again…are countless organisms and ecosystems that did not lead to H. sapiens and our food, although you insist that all he wanted to create was H. sapiens and our food.

DAVID: No force involved. Those current ecosystems developed from the past are our food.

“Had to” means he had no choice. And yes, CURRENT ecosystems which are our food developed from past ecosystems (that’s how evolution works), but as always you have left out all those past ecosystems which did not lead to our CURRENT ecosystems and which make nonsense of your theory that they were ALL “absolute requirements” for us and our current ecosystems. Please stop repeating the same old dodges.

DAVID: My God created ecosystems that ended when no longer needed since the evolutionary fauna were gone.

dhw: For the umpteenth time, needed for what? The evolutionary fauna were “gone” because they could no longer survive in the prevailing conditions.

DAVID: And if the fauna were gone their ecosystems were obviously no longer needed!!!

And still you refuse to say what the dead ends were needed for! They were NEVER needed for your God’s one and only purpose of designing us and our ecosystems, and that is why it makes no sense to claim he designed them all and did so as as preparation for us and our ecosystems!

DAVID: What is illogical is your complaint that evolutionary ecosystems stopped. See above.

dhw: I have not complained that they stopped! I have explained why they “stopped”, and have pointed out that the obvious comments concerning the importance of the organisms at the bottom have nothing whatsoever to do with your illogical theory.

DAVID: Your explanation of why they stopped was incomplete as noted above.

I repeat: they stopped because the organisms of which they were composed were no longer able to survive under the prevailing conditions. What else do you think stopped them?

Neanderthal disappearance

DAVID: if you cannot eat you got to leave [live] or die!!! Helps explain the Neanderthal die out. And again, tells us ecosystems come and go, and leave dead ends!!

I don’t know of anyone who would disagree with your first statement, and there is no dispute over the fact that ecosystems come and go leaving dead ends! As it happens, I would say Neanderthals themselves were not a dead end, as they interbred with sapiens and are still partially present in us. Once more: the illogicality of your ecosystem theory arises from all those dead-end ecosystems which your God specially designed and which had no connection at all with us. But see under “paleogenomics” for the illogicality of your human evolution theory.