Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Sunday, December 18, 2022, 15:24 (493 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: We have agreed 99% disappeared in evolution. It is a messy process compared to direct creation. We agree on that also.

dhw: And your God is responsible for the mess. You have agreed that if his one and only aim was to design us plus food, the mess can be explained by the theory that he was experimenting and specially designing mistakes, wrong choices and failures as he did so. Why are you prolonging the agony?

The agony is yours. Evolution is filled with mistakes and successes. However, it always advances forward to new more complex forms. Therefore, it is a successful process. My belief is God chose this process for His own reasons. God always knows best.

dhw: According to you, he also chose to evolve (by which you mean design) every other creature as well, including the 99% of dead ends, which were his failed experiments, leading to the mess he created. What’s the problem?

Is there a problem? A messy process led to us with our unexpected brain, the most complex functioning organ in the universe.

DAVID: Evolution must involve failed experiments, or evolution does not evolve!!! Please go back to your words:

"dhw: Again, why do you keep talking about the way evolution works? According to you, God controls evolution, so this is the way God works!"[/i]

DAVID: God controls evolution!!! He produced what you complain about. And He did it with the exact purpose of producing humans. That is the nub of Adler's proof of God. I'm not objecting to God's choice when I admit evolution is a messy way to create. As you have agreed, an all-powerful God can do whatever He wishes.

dhw: If your all-powerful God exists, and if – as you believe (it is not an historical fact) – his one and only purpose was to produce humans, and if, as you believe, he designed all species and 99% of the species he designed (including the foods they ate) were “failed experiments” (your term), then his method of achieving his goal was a mess. You are not objecting to the experimentation theory, which in your view makes God’s work a mess, so what’s the problem?

It is your concerned human view God used a messy process to produce us. You've agreed God can do it any way He wishes, and His reasoning powers are far in advance over yours. I am content with that. I've explained God's actions as far as I can.