Return to David's theory of evolution PART 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Friday, July 15, 2022, 15:37 (650 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: […], our disagreement is not over God the designer, but over your view of how and why he might have designed speciation. And there is no more “proof” of his 3.8-billion-year-old book of instructions than there is of his personal intervention. So please stop pretending that your theistic theory has more “factual support” than mine.

DAVID: We both know God is not proven, which allows our imaginations to play. I don't accept your 'play' form.

dhw: You don’t accept any of my logical alternative theistic theories of evolution because you stick rigidly to the only one which doesn’t make sense to you.

God always makes sense to me, but yours doesn't

DAVID: Again we must consider your very humanized God. Not my version a very organized purposeful God who knows exactly how to proceed without deviations.

dhw: Your version is precisely the opposite: he has one goal (sapiens plus food), and proceeds to design countless life forms and foods that have no connection with sapiens plus food. That’s what I would call “deviations”, and you can’t explain them!

DAVID: The simple explanation you refuse to accept is God chose to evolve us.

dhw: I have never questioned the fact that we evolved, and if God exists, then all of my alternative theories allow for him choosing to evolve us. But they do not allow for him having us as his one and only goal and then deviating from his goal by designing countless life forms etc. that had no connection with us.

Ghoosing to evolve us explains all your strange illogical objections.

End of Ordovician
QUOTE: “'When you shift from greenhouse conditions to ice house conditions, there are going to be major changes in ocean circulation patterns,” Mitchell says.

DAVID: all extinctions changed the course of evolution, but life never was destroyed and new forms charged on as if nothing ever happened.

dhw: Changing the course of evolution over and over again seems like an odd procedure for “a very organized purposeful God who knows exactly how to proceed without deviations.”

Your logic is not God's as you criticize His evolutionary actions once again. Evolution is a staged process, in which a degree of complexity is developed at each stage. Stages can be ended when the requirements of an advance are met, then forms can be discarded, and new ones designed based on new available underlying biochemistry.

Older time line for humans
DAVID: this seems like a more reasonable timeline for our development. But in contrast to whales our evolution is like a speedboat. They look fifteen million years or more.

dhw: One can’t help wondering why your all-powerful God devoted so much of his creative genius to all the different stages of human and whale evolution although apparently all he wanted was sapiens (plus food) and he was perfectly capable of designing new species without any precursors at all (see your Cambrian theory). But again, this is part of the combination of theories which “makes sense only to God”.

Why shouldn't it make sense to God if not to you?