Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 15:40 (1010 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Once again you wish God to be humanly logical. How is that logical? To quote Adler, God is a personage like no other person from "How to Think about God"

dhw: Nobody could possibly imagine that a God who creates a universe and life is just like any “other person”! But calling him a “personage” (another word for person) is in perfect keeping with your own belief that “He and we probably have similar thought patterns and emotions beyond just simple logic”, and “All we can be sure of is logic on his part”, and the fact that you are “sure we mimic him in many ways”. .

dhw: Unfortunately, you seem to have missed this reply to the above.

Not to insult you, these oft repeated quotes you find are, as usual, out of context since they are guesses you asked for. God is logical in His own way. We can try to compare ourselves to God, but Adler's characterization applies..

dhw: I can only repeat that I’m more inclined to believe a theory that makes sense to me than one that requires the theorist himself to abandon the human logic which leads him to believe in God (design theory - one up for human logic) but also leads him to give up trying to understand his own theory (one down for human logic).

DAVID: I understand my theory perfectly. You simply refuse to accept it as rational, but that means you don't understand a person can rationally accept faith in God and what He does is correct.

You have no idea why your God, whose one and only purpose apparently was to design humans plus their food, proceeded to design countless forms of life and food that had no connection with humans and their food, you renounce human logic, tell me to ask God, and elsewhere tell us you “can simply accept it as necessary, and more research will tell us why”. You don’t know why, and yet you say you “understand your theory perfectly”!

You miss the fact I accept God does what He wanted to do. Logical. He obviously wanted us.

Anticipation of use

DAVID: My usual response: God makes species by design. I've been swimming under water since childhood, no gills have appeared. Your faith in cell capacity for speciation is sheer phantasy, based on extreme extrapolation of the real fact, cells act as if intelligent.

dhw: I have a strong suspicion that since childhood you may have occasionally come out from under the water. I’m afraid sneering at alternative theories (cellular intelligence is only one of them) does not make your own theory any the more credible. Is my above version of your theory correct? Or do you think that 3.8 billion years ago your God provided the first cells with a programme for deep diving phenotypic changes...Please give a straight answer.

You know I believe God speciates. I had to come up for air, so how did the early aquatic pre-whales change? In your view, the animals kept trying until their brainless cells designed a system.

dhw: The fact that ALL life forms need food does not prove that humans are the result of ALL past stages of ALL life forms and econiches in the history of life, including ALL those that had no connection with humans!!!!!

DAVID: Humans need food not connections to all the bush. Humans evolved in their line didn't they?

dhw: Yes, humans evolved in their own line. Thank you for echoing my response to the absurd notion that ALL lines and ALL food bushes were designed as “part of the goal of evolving humans” and their food, although most of them had no connection with humans and their food!

DAVID: All I accept is God ran evolution properly to fill all requirements, one of which is enough food for all.

dhw: What you “accept” is your own theory, which is illogical by human standards, but which apparently you “understand perfectly”, although you have no idea why he would have done what you think he did in order to achieve what you think was his purpose, but more research will tell us why.

My theory is illogical only by your individual standards. I'm with the group ID who are human also.