Return to David's theory of evolution PART TWO (Evolution)

by dhw, Wednesday, December 29, 2021, 12:09 (841 days ago) @ David Turell

PART TWO

DAVID: [ID-ers'] theory is God designed all of evolution. That is my theory!!

dhw: But it is also your theory that his purpose for designing all forms, including all those that had no connection with humans, was to design humans and their food. THAT is what they do not discuss, and THAT is the part of your theory which doesn’t make sense, and you know it […]

DAVID: I'm sure they are with Adler. All logical to me, so I do not know what you know about my logic.

You keep claiming that ID-ers and Adler support your theory that your God’s one and only purpose was to design humans plus food and yet he also designed countless life forms that had no connection with humans plus food. Then in the same breath you tell us that they do not discuss your theory! How can they all be “with” you if they don’t ever mention your theory?

dhw: You try to erase 3.8 billion years of your God individually designing countless forms of life that had no connection with humans plus food although you insist that designing humans plus food was his only purpose or “goal”!

DAVID: Time not erased if I contend God designed life and its evolution. Your rejection confuses you.

You jump from the beginning – bacteria – to humans, as if every single life form in between was “part of the goal of evolving humans” plus food, although the vast majority of them throughout 3.X billion years had no connection with humans!

Importance of ecosystems
DAVID: But you have had my answer for God's purpose: the bush must exist as a huge food supply for all.

dhw: Which bush? You agree that past bushes were necessary for past life forms and present for present life forms. Most past life forms had no connection with humans and their food, and so it makes no sense to claim that ALL of them were “part of the goal of evolving humans” and our food bush!

DAVID: Evolutionary steps are all connected in time. You slice and dice it illogically.

What does “connected in time” mean? Over 3.8 billion years, evolutionary steps resulted in countless life forms that had no connection with humans and their food! It is therefore absurd to claim that every single one of those unconnected life forms was part of the goal of evolving humans and their food!

dhw: […] The concept of a God who created life and then allowed it to pursue its own course is known as Deism. I’m surprised you’ve never heard of it.

DAVID: I reject Deism fully. Where does that possibility appear here?

You claimed that the imagined God I present was “unlike one ever described”. This imagined God (all versions are imagined, since no one can “know” if he actually exists) is one who created life and then allowed life to pursue its own course (= a free-for-all). That view of God is called Deism. It has “appeared” here ever since I first proposed that instead of your God designing every virus, preprogramming or dabbling every lifestyle and every solution to every problem, giving courses in camouflage, nest-building, bridge-building, performing operations on groups of animals and humans to prepare them for conditions that don’t yet exist, he gave them the means (intelligence) to do their own designing. The fact that you reject the theory of a God who designs a free-for-all does not mean that it is “unlike one ever described”.

Food as well as oxygen allows a speedy change
DAVID: When you accept God your illogicality dissolves. My basic premise is God designed evolution and once that is accepted all my theories fall into place.

dhw: Please stop kidding yourself. When asked why your God would have specially designed every extinct form that had no connection with humans plus food, although his only purpose was humans plus food, your answer is either to dodge the question or to agree that you have no idea and I should ask God. But if you now think you can explain it, please do so.

DAVID: Fully explained as you ignore it. All steps in evolution required a bush of food.

Yes, ALL steps. Exactly as I have explained it. But you ignore the fact that ALL steps in evolution do not lead to humans and their food.

DAVID: Evolution is one complex step followed by a more complex step in a continuum from bacteria to humans, all designed by a mind we call God. All clear to believers.

There is not just one continuum from bacteria to humans. As usual, you ignore 3.X billion years’ worth of life forms that had no connection with humans and their food! How many “believers” believe that all the countless life forms that had no connection with humans plus food prove that God’s only purpose was to design humans plus food? You have said yourself that not even your ID-ers or your beloved Adler even discuss such a theory!