Return to David's theory of evolution PART 1 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, May 24, 2022, 17:22 (912 days ago) @ dhw

PART ONE

Dhw: You claim that every past ecosystem was preparation for/part of “the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” and our food, and “the creation of a diversity of life is an absolute requirement for the evolutionary process to finally produce humans.” And you have no idea why the creation of 3.x billion years’ worth of mainly extinct organisms and ecosystems was absolutely necessary for your all-powerful God to produce the only species (plus food) that he wanted to produce.

DAVID: Your offhand 'plus food' shows your lack of understanding. It is so simple: God chose to evolve humans over much time for his own reasons. Ecosystems provided necessary required food along the way. You simply criticize God's method.

dhw: I am not criticizing God’s method. I am criticizing your theory (a) that he individually designed every life form and food supply for every life form, and (b) he did so as preparation for humans and our food supply, though you agree that past food bushes were for the past, and extinct life has no role in current time. You also agree yet again that you yourself can’t find any reason for this combination of theories, and so I suggest that your God’s reasons for and/or method of creating the history of life may NOT be the reasons and method you impose on him.

What you do not understand is how I view the works of a designing mind. That mind makes decisions as to methods and times of evolving forms, based on that mind's decisions, unknown to me. I must look at results. Endpoints give me goals that were achieved. A designing mind can create gaps in a formation of forms at any time it wishes. That view fully explains the history of evolution from a design standpoint.

Dhw: […] if Adler suggests that God having “feelings” is 50/50, it is plainly absurd to discount the possibility that God has “feelings”.

dhw: Please tell us where Darwin states that the gaps are due to God’s intervention by designing species with no precursors.

DAVID: Relax. All I pointed out was Darwin's worry about the Cambrian gap, which his theory could not explain.

dhw: You said he agreed with you. He didn’t. He thought the most likely reason for the gaps was the incompleteness of the fossil record.

The agreement I referred to was Darwin and I recognize the significance of the gap, not the differing interpretations you bring up.

DAVID: The gaps are phenotypical, but jumps in form can only indicate the design of an active designer, no matter how you attempt to distort the point.

dhw: I am not distorting the point! You use the gaps here to prove your God’s existence, but if there are gaps and humans are descended from species designed without precursors, then you cannot claim that there is an unbroken line between bacteria and humans, in which case it makes no sense to say that God’s purpose from the beginning was to create humans.

DAVID: God's designing role certainly explains the gaps in form from bacteria to humans. Makes perfect sense with an uncritical view of God.

dhw: You want an uncritical view of your theories, which you yourself cannot explain. Your answer simply ignores the contradiction I have now bolded.

Your so-called contradictions come from a confused view of what a designing mind does, as I have explained.