Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Friday, December 22, 2023, 17:27 (335 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: This whole post consists of one Davidian dodge after another. I shall answer each dodge, in the hope that the message will finally sink in, but I hope your future posts will stick to the point!

DAVID: That God would be interested in His creations is reasonable as are our logical thought patterns similar to God's.

Thank you for this confirmation, which I will refer to whenever your repeat your silly “humanization” objection to my alternative theories.

The problem is you do not recognize how humanized your God is.

DAVID: Humans are now in charge and the whole of Earth's living forms can be used by humans.

dhw: Agreed.

DAVID: Your absurd proposal is He should have only have evolved us and not the rest?

dhw: I have made no such proposal...our dispute is over your ridiculous theory that in order to produce us and our food, he specially designed and had to cull the other 99.9% which had no connection with us and our food. Please stop dodging and stop putting up these silly straw men!

If God is considered in charge, of course He did exactly what history shows: evolution in just the way you describe!!!.

DAVID: Do you know of another form of evolution? It takes time and is a very slow way compared to direct evolution of a desired form, which you seem to prefer. The historical record of evolution resulted in 99.9% disappearance of predecessors to reach the current living forms.

dhw: Sheer obfuscation. You are glossing over your belief that your God designed every species, and you are juggling with the word “predecessor”. 99.9% of the life forms that preceded us were not our ancestors or the ancestors of our food. And so you have your God specially designing them although they had no connection with his “desired form”.

Sheer distortion. The result of evolution is humans in charge of and using all the living resources and material resources of the Earth, as God planned. A loss of 99.9% of all predecessors is a mathematical description of evolution's results from a culling process.

DAVID: Because I theorize humans were God's major goal you complain and distort the whole picture of evolution. Evolution remains the same with or without a 'goal' for God.

dhw: Your last comment is spot on. The history is confined to the fact that 99.9% of species have disappeared, and we and our food are descended from only 0.1%. YOU impose a “goal”, YOU insist that God designed every species, and YOU insist that designing and culling 99.9% of irrelevant species was his messy, cumbersome and inefficient way of achieving the goal you impose on him.

I theorized a goal. Viewing naturally caused evolution a la Darwin, humans are a most amazing result. A theistic philosophic view of evolution uses humans as proof of God, and of His goal.

dhw: Our dispute has nothing whatsoever to do with proving the existence of God, because it only concerns your absurd theory, bolded above, concerning your God’s goal and method of achieving it.

DAVID: Humans were God's goal in evolution. Whatever else God's evolution produced was for humans to use.

dhw: But 99.9% of what you say he designed throughout the history of evolution was not for humans to use, and you admit that you have no idea why he produced it. So perhaps as well as being totally illogical, and insulting your God as being messy, cumbersome and inefficient, your combined theories are wrong.

Your analysis from a Godless point of view totally distorts your conclusion. In the past developing humans only used what was easiest to obtain. Now with our current abilities we use everything on Earth, as God planned. What is present now is God's obvious goal. I don't know why God evolved us, but a study of God's actions showed a steady pattern of evolution. He evolved the universe from the Big Bang; He started life and evolved it; He made the Earth and evolved it to be life friendly. Undeniable proof of His pattern of method. I await your answer.