Return to David's theory of evolution PART ONE (Evolution)

by dhw, Saturday, March 25, 2023, 08:01 (398 days ago) @ David Turell

PART ONE
More juxtaposing by me, but there is still a lot of repetition as I feel obliged to tackle each of David’s dodges.

DAVID: Evolution with its low survival rate happened. So we must deal with its facts. Since I assume God created everything, it is obvious to conclude He chose to evolve us over time. Why do you struggle with this logic?

dhw: No struggle. If he exists, however, he also chose to evolve (though by “evolve” you mean individually design) every other creature that ever existed, including 99% that did not lead to us or our food, although you say we and our food were his one and only goal. Why do you keep making vague generalizations which ignore the specific details that make your theory so illogical?

DAVID: The generalizations are very specific. The evolutionary process is a sorting process reaching toward more and more complex forms.

Agreed. But that does not explain why your God, whose only purpose was to design us and our food, would deliberately design countless life forms, 99% of which had no connection with us and our food.

DAVID: The tiny survival rate is proven and not surprising.

Yes, it is proven. What is not proven is your illogical combination of God’s purpose and what you call his messy, inefficient and cumbersome method of achieving it.

DAVID: The huge resulting bush of life is purposeful as a necessary food supply for now eight million humans. Your details are spurious distortions of these facts.

dhw: How many more times are you going to repeat this silly dodge? Every organism has to eat, and we humans need a giant bush. But that does not explain why your God created bushes in the past for organisms that had no connection with us and our food. You know this. As I keep reminding you, you wrote: “”The current bush of food is NOW for humans NOW. There were smaller bushes in the PAST for PAST forms.” And “Extinct life has no role in current time.”

DAVID: Those observations are true facts. Please start to recognize evolution is a continuum in which the present is built upon past events!!!

Of course they are true facts. But the present is built on 1% of past events, and 99% of past events had no connection with the present, as stated by you in the bold! Please stop dodging!

DAVID: As for a goal or goals for God, humans are obvious. God may well have others not so obvious.

dhw: With this statement, you have opened a promising door. Please name what you think might have been his other goals. […]

DAVID: I said 'may well have', a supposition. Recognize it for such.

Door closed! Every theory about God – including his very existence - is a supposition, since nobody knows him! Why should inexplicable suppositions – yours make sense only to God - be more likely than others which fit in with the history of life as we know it?

The environment

DAVID: He only added oxygen when it was necessary, no control over day-to-day environmental changes.

dhw: We are not talking about day-to-day changes. For example, forests turning into deserts, and asteroids causing mass extinctions, are not day-to-day changes.

DAVID: Agreed, much longer intervals.

See later for your volte face.

DAVID: Because of varying climate and environmental conditions dhw somehow thinks luck is involved!! […]

dhw: […] his lack of control over weather and environment meant luck determined what he could and couldn’t design under current conditions. You also believe luck determined which organisms failed to adapt when conditions changed, and so luck determined which 1% survived for him to work on at the next stage (until the Cambrian, when he started all over again).
DAVID: Raup: organism's bad luck results in low survival.

Yes, in your theory it was their bad luck that your God had failed to give them adaptability to the new conditions, as above. And now for the volte face:

Supernovas and biodiversity

QUOTE: […] there’s a long history of Earth being affected by past cosmic events.[…] it’s possible that one effect of a supernova is a change in Earth’s climate. “A high number of supernovae leads to a cold climate with a large temperature difference between the equator and polar regions…

DAVID: This study says the cosmologic events change the Earth's environment. I stand by my theory that God does interfere with or control these events. They happen and whatever results pop up God designs for them, no luck ever needed. […]

Yesterday your God was NOT in control of such major environmental changes as forests turning into deserts (the result of changes in climate) and asteroids hitting the Earth, but today your theory is that he DOES control such events!!! And so instead of adapting to the vagaries of chance (no control over the environment), he now deliberately changes the environment, but is still limited to what is possible under the new conditions, and therefore still designs new species, 99% of which are irrelevant to his one and only purpose. Your beliefs change so rapidly that perhaps by next week you’ll be telling us that all this confirms the theory that your God experiments with different conditions and different life forms.