Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, January 24, 2023, 16:57 (451 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: I'll accept God 'created' evolution as His system to eventually produce humans. It is a system with dead ends. It is also the true history we have. Considering God as all-powerful, He had reasons we do not understand. Best way, only way? Doesn't matter. God's powers of design solved all problems for survival. Opposite view to yours.

dhw: Please stop waffling away from your theory. The “true history” is that we and our food are here after vast numbers of life forms have come and gone. Your theory is that your all-powerful God designed them all, in accordance with conditions he did not control, solely in order to create us and our food, but 99% were “mistakes” and “failed experiments”. This interpretation of evolution is not based on God’s reasons which we do not understand, but on parts of your theory which are illogical and indefensible unless your aim is to prove your designer God’s bumbling incompetence.

My comment above stands. Evolution is a system that produces failures to survive at a 99% rate. Yet the result is success. We are here to argue about it. It is not incompetent to use a system that by definition requires a high failure rate and succeed with it.

dhw: Experiments that improve the original invention are not failures, and new ideas can grow out of preceding ideas, e.g. legs can be transformed into flippers or arms – precisely as happens in evolution. That is not “failure”. If your version of your God’s evolution was not restricted to a single purpose and “course” (us and our food), then his experiments would not have to be classed as failures!

The bold makes no sense. Putting aside your discussion of appendages, since the discussion is survival and failure not adaptations, evolution requires failure to survive so more complex, more competent to survive forms appear.

DAVID: Now we have your non-purposeful God, just drifting along having fun with no purpose, just creating whatever idea comes along!!!! What God of what religion is that?

dhw: Theory 1 = experimenting with the purpose of creating a being like himself (plus food). Theory 2 has the purpose of “enjoyment” of creating and “interest” (two human patterns of thought you have suggested yourself) in finding out the potential of a remarkable invention. Theory 3 is the same, but the purpose (and interest) lies in finding out what the remarkable invention can achieve by itself. What religion depicts God as an experimenter with a 99% failure rate, who depends on luck to fulfil his only purpose?

The religion David uses is his own creation.

DAVID: Before the BB God was planning on humans. You don't understand my concept of God.

dhw: No, I don’t. Are you now telling me that planning humans was all he had been thinking about for the whole of eternity before the BB? So what made him suddenly think of the BB? Was that the new idea? This whole argument is becoming farcical. A God who has new ideas is apparently a human bungler, but a God whose work has a 99% failure rate is divinely all-powerful.

God does not need new ideas!!! We have discussed multiple BB's in the past.

DAVID: God did exactly what He wanted to do, using the method He wanted to use, all decided before He made the universe.

dhw: GOD: “I only wanna create David Turell and his breakfast, so I’m gonna deliberately create millions of useless critters that ain’t got nothin’ to do with him an’ his breakfast, so he can tell the world that all my mistakes an’ failed experiments prove how clever I was ter create him an’ his breakfast.”

DAVID: Ignored. The past 99% plus the survivors resulted in me and my food. Evolution is a continuous invented process of increasing complexity. Without the 99%, I would still be an amoeba.

dhw: You have turned your "99% failure rate" into a 99% success rate. It’s without the 1% that you would still be an amoeba with nothing but bacteria and nematodes for your breakfast.

Exactly. We are a result of the 1%.