Return to David's theory of evolution PART TWO (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, June 03, 2023, 18:06 (329 days ago) @ dhw

PART TWO

dhw: A God who wanted to create evil would be a sadist.

God did not create evil!!! He created humans and bugs that can create evil. Vast difference.

DAVID: At the level of evolution, He is a complete stupid dud.

dhw: In your version he is messy, cumbersome, inefficient and sadistic. In mine, he conducts successful experiments (every living form is a success) or he creates a free-for-all. In none of these scenarios does he deliberately and knowingly create evil. Why does that make him a stupid dud?

Not answered.

Not worth answering, but if you insist, any thinking person realizes free will can lead to evil. Your dud is a know-nothing God who has no goals, just experiments along, not knowing the results until they happen. He, lucky for us, stumbles into humans.

DAVID: how does your guy handle the arrival of evil?

dhw: He doesn’t. He has not stepped in. And I gave you a list of possible reasons, which you obviously didn’t read: “Maybe he doesn’t exist, maybe he can’t, maybe he enjoys the show, maybe he’s abandoned it, maybe he’s dead.”

I read them as your confused approach to understanding God. There is no answer.

DAVID: How did your God invent the universe, the perfect Earth fit for life, and make life itself, if He didn't know the consequences of His designs.

dhw: In the same way as humans (he and we have thought patterns in common, remember?) come up with wonderful inventions and discoveries, and then become aware of later effects they never dreamt of. Think of the motor car, smoking, industrial pollution, climate change, nuclear weapons, AI, germ warfare etc. But you insist that your God is all-powerful and all-knowing. So perhaps you will tell us why he carried on if he already knew the consequences in advance?

Not answered.

He did carry on letting us survive and deal with the consequences of our actions.

DAVID: He is letting humans handle their own affairs. What would your guy do?

dhw: The same as yours. And one of my theories is that he let all forms of life handle their own affairs, but for some reason you can’t stand the thought of a free-for-all unless it’s exclusively for humans.

A free-for-all form of evolution has no goals. Another example of your aimless dud of a God.

DAVID: Your guy saw the same appearance of evil. What did He do?

dhw: I’ve told you. He did nothing. That doesn’t explain why your inefficient, sadistic God, who deliberately created 99 out of 100 irrelevant life forms, and deliberately created evil, is more godlike than my highly successful alternative versions, who enjoyed experimenting, learning and discovering, and who did not deliberately set out to create the forces of “evil”.

Same mistake. Both our Gods created humans and bugs with the capacity to create evil. The evil is second-hand for both Gods. You keep repeating your cook-book version of my God. I'm tired of repeating the same rebuttals, but: evolution requires a 99.9% loss; God does not create evil!!! (see above); your God created the forces for evil as mine did; your goalless so-called God luckily stumbled into humans, while my God intended our appearance.