Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS 1 & 2 (Evolution)

by David Turell , Saturday, April 02, 2022, 15:22 (964 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: God creates. We can know nothing more about Him. I see Him as directly purposeful with no emotional overlays concerning Himself.

dhw: We’re off again. We can’t even “know” if he exists. Your guess that his purpose has “no emotional overlays concerning Himself” has no more authority or evidence than the guess that his purpose does have such overlays. The fact of the matter is that you have guessed to the point of being certain that he enjoys creating (or he wouldn’t do it) and is interested in his creations. You therefore cannot claim that he definitely doesn’t feel enjoyment or interest, and so it would be perfectly logical for you to accept the possibility that satisfying these feelings may constitute his purpose.

Of course I can accept that and have in the past, when I have told you: if I accept your human form of God. Anything about God is possible, when possible personalities are considered.

God's choice of war over peace

dhw: If your all-powerful God exists, then it was his choice to create a world in which survival depends on war. It’s not a matter of accepting or rejecting it. I’m asking why he would have made that choice! You keep telling us that despite his omnipotence he had to do it that way, because you can’t imagine him creating a Garden of Eden. I can, and I’d like to know why he didn’t, as this might give us some insight into his nature and purpose....Your God would not have designed carnivores, and bacteria can eat anything.

You are attacking God's choice of method as usual. Free moving and free will organisms can do as they wish, and you wish God programmed them to be passive. Is that your personal preference? That is obviously what God did not do. We are back to your unanswerable questions.

DAVID: So your veggie eating bacteria would be passive? There goes Darwin's struggle for survival which included warring animals.

dhw: Of course there would be no struggle for survival if your God chose peace! You seem to have forgotten that according to you, he designs every single species individually. So all he would have had to do is design happy vegetarians and bacteria that didn’t have to wage war in order to survive. Why didn’t he? Do you really believe he couldn’t?

We have live with His choice. He obviously had one.

Ecosystem importance

DAVID: The reason I presented this article is dhw's attitude about the need for food energy when he does not see to recognize how vital each system is for life to exist.

dhw: EVERY ORGANISM NEEDS FOOD! Each ecosystem is vital for the particular life forms that depend on it. That does not mean that every extinct ecosystem was “part of the goal of evolving [= designing] humans” and their food! Please stop dodging the illogicality of your theory of evolution by pretending I don’t know that life needs energy.

What you never accept is the delicacy of the design of those vital systems, or their interrelation, as related to the current massive human population needs for food. The same needs were present in the past and the now and explains in large part the need for evolutionary bushiness all along. All anticipated in God's plans

DAVID: What did Shapiro work with for his theory? Bacteria!!!

dhw: Do you really think he hasn’t considered the research of other scientists in coming to his conclusion? His theory concerns all cells, not just bacteria, and I have not inflated or misused it. Your attempt to belittle it by sniping at his own particular field of expertise does not alter the theory itself, which is precisely what I presented, as quoted word for word in your book!

And I believe it fully, but I recognize its limits. You jump in hook line and sinker to try and salvage your hope that cells think for themselves, when all they are doing is following intelligent onboard instructions.