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by David Turell , Friday, September 30, 2022, 19:58 (783 days ago) @ dhw

Nature of God

DAVID: That God is a very different personage does not mean we can't analyze and debate.

dhw: We can’t analyze and debate if you tell us that the words you use, such as “full control”, “enjoyment”, “interest”, might not mean the same to your God as they do to us.

We can debate because those are the only words we have!

DAVID: Whatever God produced, God considered required to continue His evolution of humans. How many times must I show that dead ends were part of ecosystems needed at that stage in evolution.
And:
DAVID: God did what He had to do to create humans. Accept that premise and your confusion will disappear.

dhw: You keep agreeing that the dead ends were part of ecosystems which were required for the life forms that existed at that time but by definition did NOT lead to us and our food. No, I cannot accept that your God “had to” create countless dead ends which had no connection with humans, solely in order to create humans (plus our food). That doesn’t make sense to me or to you (it “makes sense only to God”). Accept that your premise is senseless and therefore either his purpose or his actions must have been different from those you impose on him. Then “your confusion will disappear”.

No your confusion continues. At each stage of evolution, the living animals had to have ecosystems for food support. Those ecosystems became ends as evolution moved to new stages. God, as designer of evolution, created everything He had to create. And you question God, not me, because what I have analyzed is an obvious answer to your questioning. See below:

Design and purpose and dead ends

Yet more repetition here, but leading to a sensational conclusion.

DAVID: Dead ends were part of ecosystems no longer necessary as species become extinct.

dhw: Exactly. So obviously they were necessary for extinct forms, but were not “absolute requirements” that were "necessary" in preparation for us and our food.

DAVID: Time passes in evolution. Each stage has its requirements.

dhw: We agree, though I’m suspicious of the word “stage” here. A dead end is a final stage – it leads nowhere. Let’s stick to each ecosystem has its requirements.

When an ecosystem has outlived its usefulness it disappears. A definition of a dead end.

DAVID (under “More miscellany”): Past ecosystems fed past animals. With advances to new forms new ecosystems appeared, and old ones faded away as dead ends. Pure evolution at work through time.

dhw: An excellent description. Thank you for at last dropping your illogical theory that all past dead-end ecosystems and animals were individually designed by your God as “absolute requirements” for the individual design of H. sapiens and our ecosystems.

DAVID: I didn't drop God as designing all at every stage.

dhw: You didn’t mention it, but in any case you have dropped the illogical theory that your God “had to” design every dead end in order to design us and our food. Congratulations on your new insight!

Not dropped at all. God designs all parts of all stages on the way to humans.