Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Thursday, March 09, 2023, 17:36 (623 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: Evolution would stop if there was a 100% loss of organisms. It is the 1% of survivors that enable evolution to continue. However, you say your God can create new organisms from scratch, and so if he only wanted to create us and our food, he didn’t even need the 100% of designs that preceded our ancestors plus food. But whether you believe in common descent or not, you still call the 99.9% “mistakes” and “failed experiments”, because they were NOT necessary for what you believe was your God’s sole purpose.

Without failure to survive, how does evolution advance under Darwin theory? Your ridiculous
God comment ignores the point that He can choose any mechanism of creation He wishes to use. Have you forgotten your former agreement?

DAVID: Yes, I'm sure He wants to create, because He did!!

dhw: You used the word “enjoy”. So why do you think it’s not possible for him to have created all these 99.9% per cent of what you call “mistakes” because he enjoyed creating them, which means they were not “mistakes”?

Again envisioning God from a totally human standpoint. God is too purposeful to create just to create. Each step is purposeful.

dhw: You said your God was not in control of such environmental changes as forests turning into deserts, and you don’t even know if he controlled Chixculub. You praise his brilliance in being able to design new species to cope with every change, but he can only design what is allowed by the new environment! For example, he couldn’t design us until the necessary oxygen was available.

DAVID: Opposite view: He created photosynthesis in cyanobacteria and algae to make enough oxygen to then create the Cambrian guys. All to plan. Remember God creates by evolving in planned designed stages. You don't know how to criticize a designer.

dhw: You simply can’t make up your mind whether your God did or did not control the environmental changes that dictate which species survive.

More attempts at mind reading. Environmental changes are uncontrolled.

dhw: You’re sure he didn’t control forests turning into deserts, one day you believe he did not control Chixculub, and the next day you don’t know, and now you have him deliberately guiding cyanobacteria and algae to change the degree of oxygen in the environment. After which he starts creating our ancestors from scratch, so he needn’t have bothered with all the preceding organisms anyway.

If God hadn't 'bothered' where would evolution go? GOD CHOSE TO EVOLVE US IN STAGES!!!!

Under The Cambrian

dhw: Only the 1% evolved into our food supplies. The 99% were dead ends that did not lead to us or our food. That’s why you call them “mistakes”.

DAVID: Usual distortion. 99.9% loss is a requirement of evolving from bacteria.

DHW: A requirement for what??? You keep omitting your God’s one and only purpose! So now he says: “In order to create David and his food, I must first create 99.9% of life forms that have no connection with David and his food, i.e. make 99 mistakes per 100 designs.” And then comes the Cambrian, when he creates our ancestors from scratch anyway!

GOD CHOSE TO EVOLVE US IN STAGES!!!! The Cambrian shows God's phenotypic design ability. Most of the biochemistry already existed in the Ediacaran.

Bipedalism
DAVID: bbbThe bipedal body is not fit to stay in trees. They were forced by their new design to be terrestrial.bbb (dhw’s bold)

dhw: So one morning a group of anthropoids woke up to find themselves with straightened backs and legs, which forced them out of the trees and onto the ground. But even then your God knew he’d have to keep popping in to operate on hominins and hominids and homos till he could get what he wanted (us plus food), though he needn’t have bothered with any of them because he could have created us de novo if he’d wanted to. I'm surprised that you think even God can understand your theories.

DAVID: Your fanciful just-so story fills a gap in my theory. I have no idea how God does any speciation.

dhw: I’m glad you now consider your design-in-advance theory to be a just-so story. And you seem to have forgotten your two theories concerning your God’s method of speciation: 1) a 3.8-billion-year-old compendium of instructions for every evolutionary change, lifestyle, strategy, natural wonder etc. for the whole history of life, and/or 2) ad hoc dabbling. Darwin proposes random mutations and natural selection. Shapiro proposes cellular intelligence.

And I propose God. Not just-so!! I never forget anything. God speciates by editing the genome. Darwin's ancient propositions are not based in current facts.