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by David Turell , Saturday, December 17, 2022, 16:18 (494 days ago) @ dhw

dhw: If your God’s ONLY purpose was us plus food, according to YOU, his form of evolution is a total mess.

DAVID: Your definition of God's evolution is the hole in the doughnut. Evolution must destroy to advance to more adapted, more complex forms. 99% of forms are gone, and have to be.

dhw: All of a sudden, evolution is running evolution. I thought your God was in charge. Anyway, 99% of the forms he has deliberately designed must be destroyed, so that he can design the more adapted, more complex forms which he will create out of those that have NOT been destroyed.

We have agreed 99% disappeared in evolution. It is a messy process compared to direct creation. We agree on that also.

dhw: And this leaves you, as usual, with the problem of why your God bothered to specially design those that he would NOT need in order to design the more adapted, more complex forms. Your explanation is that they were your God’s mistakes, failed experiments, wrong choices, as a result of which “He is responsible for all the messy aspects of evolution. Yes, He is. The whole of evolution is a messy process of successes and failures. “ If he is responsible for the mess, then he is responsible for the mess!

Given a God-created history of evolution, we must conclude God chose to evolve us.

So once again, according to you he specially designed all the “variations” which were NOT “on the road” to his unchanging goal (us and our food). They were his “mistakes”. According to your previous post, God experimented in order to achieve his goal, and on the way he made lots of mistakes. What’s the problem?

You keep forgetting the 'mistakes' were part of ecosystems no longer needed for food. The need for constant food supply gets lost in all your distorted objections. Evolution can be
characterized as new forms and their food supply. The now bolded is right on and then you complain about it.

dhw: Thank you again for accepting my theory of experimentation. Perhaps that will enable us to put an end to this long-drawn-out discussion, except that the “more miscellany thread” threatens to prolong it.

DAVID: Don't thank me. God does not experiment for the sake of finding a new way. He knows exactly where He is going and how to get there. There must be a food-supplying ecosystem at all times and when no long necessary those organisms fade away along with the top predators.

dhw: You don’t need to experiment if you already know exactly where you are going and how to get there! You are making nonsense of language. And you know it, because you tell us that your God’s evolution is a mess of mistakes, wrong choices, and FAILED EXPERIMENTS!

Evolution must involve failed experiments, or evolution does not evolve!!! Please go back to your words:

"dhw: Again, why do you keep talking about the way evolution works? According to you, God controls evolution, so this is the way God works!"

God controls evolution!!! He produced what you complain about. And He did it with the exact purpose of producing humans. That is the nub of Adler's proof of God. I'm not objecting to God's choice when I admit evolution is a messy way to create. As you havee agreed, an all-powerful God can do whatever He wishes.