Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by dhw, Thursday, October 06, 2022, 12:12 (568 days ago) @ David Turell

DAVID: And I've explained the diversity of forms creates a giant ecosystem for food for all. It is your God, unsure of what He is doing, who has to experiment.

dhw: Not “a” giant ecosystem. Every dead-end ecosystem provided food for all its organisms until it stopped doing so, and it is absurd to claim that every dead-end ecosystem was specially designed as preparation for us and our ecosystems since dead-end ecosystems do not lead anywhere! Please stop using these silly generalisations to cover the illogicality of your theory. Regardless of the experiment theory, a God who designs countless organisms and ecosystems that have nothing to do with his one and only purpose sounds like a God who does not know what he is doing. And that is not a criticism of your God but a criticism of your theory.

DAVID: God's form of evolution produced us. Assuming that is a goal, His method worked. Your view of evolution as all dead ends is strange. From those dead ends we have all the bush of current living forms. It seems God knew exactly what He was doing. You are still dicing up evolution into disconnected parts as a way of criticizing what God accomplished.

This is the silliest distortion you have yet come up with! My view of evolution is not that it is ALL dead ends! You have even quoted what I wrote yesterday: " And yes, CURRENT ecosystems which are our food developed from past ecosystems (that’s how evolution works), but as always you have left out all those past ecosystems which did not lead to our CURRENT ecosystems and which make nonsense of your theory that they were ALL “absolute requirements” for us and our current ecosystems. Please stop repeating the same old dodges.

DAVID: What we see in evolution is what God knew he had to create. […]

dhw: “Had to” means he had no choice.

DAVID: If He had precise goals, His choice was chosen!!

If his one goal was to design us and our ecosystems, why did he “have to” create all the life forms and ecosystems that had no connection with us and our ecosystems?

DAVID: And if the fauna were gone their ecosystems were obviously no longer needed!!!

dhw: And still you refuse to say what the dead ends were needed for! [dhw: You left this out.]

DAVID: What is illogical is your complaint that evolutionary ecosystems stopped. [dhw: You left this out as well, and so your editing removes two of your indefensible statements.]

dhw: I repeat: they stopped because the organisms of which they were composed were no longer able to survive under the prevailing conditions. What else do you think stopped them?

DAVID: Well, finally some logic. From all the dead ends of evolution new forms appeared with new supporting ecosystems and eventually we arrived. That is how evolution works either naturally or by God design.

No logic from you. New forms did not appear from dead ends, which by definition lead nowhere! New forms appeared from old forms which underwent countless mutations in the continuous process we call common descent. ALL current forms will have descended from earlier forms. THAT is how evolution works, but that does not mean that ALL earlier forms led to current forms! The majority came to a dead end!

Neanderthal disappearance

dhw: Once more: the illogicality of your ecosystem theory arises from all those dead-end ecosystems which your God specially designed and which had no connection at all with us. But see under “paleogenomics” for the illogicality of your human evolution theory.

DAVID: Despite the dead ends we are here.

You’ve got it. The dead ends had nothing to do with us or our food. And that is why it makes no sense to claim that all the dead-end life forms were specially designed as preparation for us and our food.

Microbiome importance

QUOTE: Microbial life was the first to inhabit our planet and will probably be the last.

DAVID: the article is filled with examples of how to improve this basic diversity at the bottom of our Earth's primary ecosystem. It came from God's dead ends, despite dhw's objections to dead ends as useless. He needs a big re-think.

The vital importance of microbial life is beyond dispute, but a dead end refers to something that comes to an end and leads nowhere. A life form that is still alive, is of vital importance to all other forms of life, and will probably remain alive until there is no other life left on this planet, is not a dead end! Please stop making a mockery of language!