Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Tuesday, October 11, 2022, 15:43 (772 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: An evolutionary process has dead ends Raup wrote an important book called 'Extinctions; Bad Genes or Bad Luck'. After many dead ends, we are here. We both accept that history. I view God as the designer of that history. God knows how to create and creates what is required. To advance evolution, dead ends must happen. You are again inventing a tunnel-visioned God to fit your distorted twist of history.

dhw: As usual, you have left out that part of your theory which makes your God tunnel-visioned. God sayeth unto himself: “My one and only goal is to design sapiens and his food.” (That’s the bit you left out.) “An evolutionary process hath dead ends, and therefore in order to design sapiens and his food, I must design dead ends.” And a little PS: “I knoweth not why David Turell hath made the law that I must design dead ends in order to design what I want to design, but he knoweth best.”

Your usual distortion. Humans plus an adequate ecosystem are the final outcome of God's evolutionary design. That is pure history with leaving out the God part. Dead ends are part of any type of evolution, and you know it.

DAVID: Adler used the appearance of humans as proof of God. As a philosopher of religion none of your complaints bothered him. I know why. He accepted the God I accept, and you say you accept as bolded above.

dhw: We are not discussing proof of God’s existence, but your illogical theistic, anthropocentric theory of evolution!

DAVID: You miss the point. Adler used my God's 'evolution', which is what you won't accept.

dhw: You keep telling us that Adler did NOT use “your evolution”, i.e. that your God’s one and only goal was to produce sapiens plus food and therefore he “had to” produce countless dead ends that did not lead to us and our food. You keep telling us that Adler used the uniqueness of sapiens to prove the existence of God. In any case, if Adler really did support your illogical theory, that would not make it logical!

Adler's use of evolution is the same as mine in using the final result of evolution was humans. God had a goal/purpose of humans is the same theory for Adler and me. Your distortions are just distortions.

DAVID: If God knows what He is doing, as you state, then all of evolution is His doing!

dhw: He would have known what he was doing if all of evolution was NOT of his doing (e.g. if he deliberately created a free-for-all), and if he was experimenting or getting new ideas, he would have known that he was experimenting or getting new ideas.

Back to a dithering God not sure of how to do things. Not the God most folks think of.

DAVID: Your complaint is that if He did it planning on humans to appear, He did it all wrong to get there. Back to why not use direct creation? On that point we have to ask God.

dhw: Once more, I am not criticizing your God! My complaint is that you have proposed a theory that “makes sense only to God”, which means it makes no sense to you or to me.

Don't include me in your fuzzy thinking. What God did makes perfect sense. What is known only to God is why He chose to evolve us over direct creation. Please remember that distinction.