Return to David's theory of evolution PARTS ONE & TWO (Evolution)

by David Turell @, Thursday, May 11, 2023, 18:03 (343 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: Since the presence or not of God depends on who is pontificating, your questioning approach is certainly not mine. My conclusions are an amalgam of my ideas from researching many authorities. With freedom by not being bound by specific theistic thoughts or theories. Adler defines a very specific God entity. That has become my God. I have no idea what guides your prefrences.

dhw: You certainly do not question your approach or your conclusions, even though you can find no logical reasons why your God would choose a messy, cumbersome and inefficient way to achieve the purpose you impose on him, and you have admitted that Adler has nothing whatsoever to say about your theory. (“Adler gives me a specific description of who God is. How God operates is another different issue.”) My approach (I don’t know why you call them preferences) is to look for logical reasons why evolution took the course we agree it took: namely, producing a vast variety of life forms and ecosysytems, 99% of which have become extinct.

I am happy with my conclusions. The purpose I 'impose' on God is producing humans. That is Adler's point in his other book I quote. Adler uses Darwin evolution theory exactly as it is: natural events produced humans. Adler says, no way, and our arrival proves God exists and running evolution to produce us. GOD CHOSE EVOLUTION.

dhw: The history of evolution is one of an ever changing variety of life forms. Why do you assume that your God did not want to create an ever changing variety of life forms?

DAVID: God created exactly what He wished created. What is your point exactly?

dhw: I’m surprised you haven’t cottoned on yet. My point is that even if we assume your God exists, there is no conceivable logic in your theory that at one and the same time he is all-powerful and all-knowing, his one and only purpose was to create sapiens plus food, and he did so by deliberately designing 99 out of 100 life forms which had no connection with his one and only purpose, and this messy, cumbersome, inefficient method shows him to be a brilliant designer! (“I have carefully explained God chose a messy system and makes it work beautifully.”) Conversely, the three alternative theories I offer all make perfect sense, but you reject them on the grounds that they entail human thought patterns and emotions, although you agree that your God may well have human thought patterns and emotions.

I'll grant you our emotions may reflect God's in some allegorical way. Your statement is consistent with your view, God logically did it wrong. Your logic is better than God's, really???


DAVID: This is logical: GOD CHOSE TO EVOLVE US FOR hIS OWN REASONS.

dhw: Yes, it is logical that if he exists HE CHOSE TO EVOLVE ALL LIFE FORMS EXTANT AND EXTINCT FOR HIS OWN REASONS, and you cannot find a single reason why he would have chosen to evolve all the life forms that had no connection with us and our food, but you insist that we were his one and only purpose and that despite being all-powerful and all-knowing, he is/was a messy, cumbersome and inefficient designer.

Any living form contains the massively complex biochemical system creating life. God did that !!! Yes, all knowing, all powerful and working in mysterious ways, per religions.


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