Return to David's theory of evolution (Evolution)

by David Turell , Wednesday, October 05, 2022, 17:30 (778 days ago) @ dhw

DAVID: And I've explained the diversity of forms creates a giant ecosystem for food for all. It is your God, unsure of what He is doing, who has to experiment.

dhw: Not “a” giant ecosystem. Every dead-end ecosystem provided food for all its organisms until it stopped doing so, and it is absurd to claim that every dead-end ecosystem was specially designed as preparation for us and our ecosystems since dead-end ecosystems do not lead anywhere! Please stop using these silly generalisations to cover the illogicality of your theory. Regardless of the experiment theory, a God who designs countless organisms and ecosystems that have nothing to do with his one and only purpose sounds like a God who does not know what he is doing. And that is not a criticism of your God but a criticism of your theory.

God's form of evolution produced us. Assuming that is a goal, His method worked. Your view of evolution as all dead ends is strange. From those dead ends we have all the bush of current living forms. It seems God knew exactly what He was doing. You are still dicing up evolution into disconnected parts as a way of criticizing what God accomplished.

DAVID: What we see in evolution is what God knew he had to create.

dhw: Who forced him? If God exists, I would propose that what we see is what he wanted to create, and what we see…here we go again…are countless organisms and ecosystems that did not lead to H. sapiens and our food, although you insist that all he wanted to create was H. sapiens and our food.

DAVID: No force involved. Those current ecosystems developed from the past are our food.

dhw: “Had to” means he had no choice.

If He had precise goals, His choice was chosen!!

dhw: And yes, CURRENT ecosystems which are our food developed from past ecosystems (that’s how evolution works), but as always you have left out all those past ecosystems which did not lead to our CURRENT ecosystems and which make nonsense of your theory that they were ALL “absolute requirements” for us and our current ecosystems. Please stop repeating the same old dodges.

Again, your dodge is an imagined discontinuous strange evolution. Nothing developed from something. All unconnected dead ends

DAVID: And if the fauna were gone their ecosystems were obviously no longer needed!!!

dhw: I repeat: they stopped because the organisms of which they were composed were no longer able to survive under the prevailing conditions. What else do you think stopped them?

Well, finally some logic. From all the dead ends of evolution new forms appeared with new supporting ecosystems and eventually we arrived. That is how evolution works either naturally or by God design.

Neanderthal disappearance

DAVID: if you cannot eat you got to leave [live] or die!!! Helps explain the Neanderthal die out. And again, tells us ecosystems come and go, and leave dead ends!!

dhw: I don’t know of anyone who would disagree with your first statement, and there is no dispute over the fact that ecosystems come and go leaving dead ends! As it happens, I would say Neanderthals themselves were not a dead end, as they interbred with sapiens and are still partially present in us. Once more: the illogicality of your ecosystem theory arises from all those dead-end ecosystems which your God specially designed and which had no connection at all with us. But see under “paleogenomics” for the illogicality of your human evolution theory.

Despite the dead ends we are here.